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作者: qcmadness 時間: 2007-9-27 02:55 標題: Rumoured Desktop Processor Roadmap for Intel / AMD in 2008 (22/08/08)

The information / rumour collected below is from:
1. Dailytech / Anandtech
2. HKEPC news
3. X-Bit news

This collection of data is subjected to changes over time. I hope this can help all of us about upcoming Intel / AMD products in 2008.

Last updated: 22nd August 2008

Content:
1. Intel Processors
2. AMD Processors
3. Current and future pricing
4. About the manufacturing side
5. Reference

Recent edit: massive updates and rewrite...

Special thanks to stupid (HKEPC forum) for corrections and updates.

1. Intel processors:
a. Core 2 Duo E8xx0 series
Release time: E8200, E8300, E8400, E8500, E8600 (selling)
Code name: Wolfdale (stepping C0, E0)
Socket: LGA 775
Fabrication process: 45nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 6MB shared
Clock speeds: E8190, E8200 - 2.66GHz, E8300 - 2.83GHz, E8400 - 3.0GHz, E8500 - 3.16GHz, E8600 - 3.33GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1333MHz FSB (10.7GB/s)
Other specifications: SSE4.1, TXT, Virtualization, half multiplier
Expected price: E8190, E8200, E8300, E8400 - $163, E8500 - $183, E8600 - $266
Expected market position: to replace 65nm Core 2 Duo E6xx0 series
My commemt: Best dual-core CPUs available, with high single-threaded performance and low power consumption. But are they good enough for multi-threaded applications?

b. Core 2 Quad Q9xx0 series
Release time: Q9300, Q9400, Q9450, Q9550, Q9650 (Q3)
Code name: Yorkfield (stepping C1)
Socket: LGA 775
Fabrication process: 45nm
Number of Cores: 4
L2 cache size: 2 blocks of 3MB shared (Q9300, Q9400) or 2 blocks of 6MB shared (Q9450, Q9550, Q9650)
Clock speeds: Q9300 - 2.5GHz, Q9400, Q9450 - 2.66GHz, Q9550 - 2.83GHz, Q9650 - 3.0GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1333MHz FSB (10.7GB/s)
Other specifications: SSE4.1, TXT, Virtualization, half multiplier
Expected price: Q9300, Q9400 - $266 (Q3), Q9450, Q9550 - $316, Q9650 - $530
Expected market position: to replace 65nm Core 2 Quad series
My commemt: Presently the best quad-core CPUs with low power consumption high multi-threaded performance. Soon to be replaced by high-end Core i7 series CPUs.

c. Core 2 Extreme QX97xx
Release time: selling
Code name: Yorkfield (stepping C0)
Socket: LGA 771 x 2 sockets (QX9775), LGA 775 (QX9750)
Fabrication process: 45nm
Number of Cores: 4 x 2 sockets (QX9775), 4 (QX9750)
L2 cache size: 6MB shared each dual-core, 4 blocks (QX9775), 2 blocks (QX9750)
Clock speeds: 3.2GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1600MHz FSB (12.8GB/s) x 2 sockets (QX9775), 1600MHz FSB (QX9750)
Other specifications: SSE4.1, TXT, Virtualization, half multiplier, unlocked multiplier
Expected price: QX9775 - $1499 x 2, QX9750 - $1399
Expected market position: to replace 65nm Core 2 Extreme series
My commemt: The dream dual-socket and single-socket CPUs. But the premium performance comes with a premium price.

d. Core 2 Duo E4700
Release time: selling
Code name: Allendale (stepping M0)
Socket: LGA 775
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 2MB shared
Clock speeds: 2.6GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 800MHz FSB (6.4GB/s)
Other specifications: (none)
Expected price: $133
Expected market position: to replace Core 2 Duo E4500
My commemt: Used to extend the lead in dual-core market.

e. Pentium Dual-Core E2220
Release time: selling
Code name: Allendale (stepping M0)
Socket: LGA 775
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 1MB shared
Clock speeds: 2.4GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 800MHz FSB (6.4GB/s)
Other specifications: (none)
Expected price: $84
Expected market position: to replace P-E2140
My commemt: Used to extend the lead in dual-core market.

f. Celeron E1x00 series
Release time: E1200, E1400 (selling)
Code name: Allendale(?) (stepping M0)
Socket: LGA 775
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 512KB shared
Clock speeds: E1200 - 1.6GHz, E1400 - 2.0GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 800MHz FSB (6.4GB/s)
Other specifications: (none)
Expected price: E1200 - $43, E1400 - $53
Expected market position: to replace single-core Celerons
My commemt: Celeron Dual-core processors are the cheapest dual-core CPUs in the market. The performance is not appealing, especially in gaming.

g. Core 2 Duo E7x00 series
Release time: E7200, E7300 (selling)
Code name: Wolfdale(?) (stepping M0)
Socket: LGA 775
Fabrication process: 45nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 3MB shared
Clock speeds: E7200 - 2.53GHz, E7300 - 2.66GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1066MHz FSB (8.5GB/s)
Other specifications: (none)
Expected price: E7200 - $113, E7300 - $133
Expected market position: to replace Core 2 Duo E4x00 series
My commemt: A cut-down version of Core 2 Duo E8x00. They should have enough power to crush the Athlon64 dual-cores to death.

h. Core 2 Quad Q8x00 series
Release time: Q8200 (Q3)
Code name: Yorkfield (?) (unknown stepping)
Socket: LGA 775
Fabrication process: 45nm
Number of Cores: 4
L2 cache size: 2 blocks of 2MB shared
Clock speeds: Q8200 - 2.33GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 1333MHz FSB (10.7GB/s)
Other specifications: SSE4.1, TXT, half multiplier
Expected price: Q8200 - $203 (Q3)
Expected market position: to replace 65nm Core 2 Quad series
My commemt: Another move by Intel to combat AMD quad-core with lower costs.

i. Core 2 Duo E5x00 series
Release time: E5200 (Q3)
Code name: Wolfdale(?) (unknown stepping)
Socket: LGA 775
Fabrication process: 45nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 2MB shared
Clock speeds: E5200 - 2.5GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: 800MHz FSB (6.4GB/s)
Other specifications: (none)
Expected price: E5200 - $84 (Q3)
Expected market position: to replace Core 2 Duo E4x00 series
My commemt: A cut-down version of Core 2 Duo E7x00. They should have enough power to crush the Athlon64 dual-cores to death.

j. Core i7 900 Extreme series (high-end)
Release time: Sep - Oct
Code name: Bloomfield (unknown stepping)
Socket: LGA 1366
Fabrication process: 45nm
Number of Cores: 4
L2 cache size: 256KB per core
L3 cache size: 8MB - shared
Clock speeds: 2.66GHz - 3.2GHz at launch
Processor-to-northbridge speed: Quickpath Interconnect (QPI) 4.8GT/s to 6.4GT/s (unknown bandwidth)
Other specifications: SSE4.2, Hyper-Threading (new version), Virtualization (?), TXT (?), triple-channel DDR3-1333 memory controller integrated
Expected price: $284 - $999
Expected market position: to replace high-end Core Arch. products
My commemt: Moderate single-threaded performance, but skyrocking multi-threaded performance compared with Core Arch. CPUs.

2. AMD processors:
a. Athlon64x2 series
Release time: x2 5400+, x2 5600+, x2 5800+, x2 6000+ (selling)
Code name: Brisbane (revision G2)
Socket: Socket AM2
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 512KB per core
Clock speeds: x2 5400+ - 2.8GHz, x2 5600+ - 2.9GHz, x2 5800+ - 3.0GHz, x2 6000+ - 3.1GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: HyperTransport 2.0GHz (8GB/s)
Other specifications: half multiplier, Virtualization
Expected price: x2 5400+ - $87, x2 5600+ - $102, x2 5800+ - $112, x2 6000+ - $112
Expected market position: to replace the 90nm variant of x2 5600+ / 6000+ /6400+
My commemt: Meaningless at all...

b. Phenom x4 series
Release time: 9150e, 9350e, 9550, 9750, 9850, 9950 BE (selling)
Code name: Agena (revision B3)
Socket: Socket AM2+
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 4
L2 cache size: 512KB per core
L3 cache size: 2MB shared
Clock speeds: 9150e - 1.8 GHz, 9350e - 2.0GHz, 9550 - 2.2GHz, 9650 - 2.3GHz, 9750 - 2.4GHz, 9850 BE - 2.5GHz, 9950 - 2.6GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: HyperTransport 3.0 3.6GHz (9550, 9650, 9750), 4.0GHz (9850 BE) (12.8GB/s, 14.4GB/s, 16.0GB/s)
Other specifications: half multiplier, SSE4A, Virtualization, unlocked multiplier (9850 BE only)
Expected price: 9150e - $175, 9350e - $195, 9550 - $175, 9650 - $195, 9750 - $215, 9850 - $235, 9950 BE - $235
Expected market position: to replace the rev. B2 Phenoms
My commemt: The Phenoms are not clocked high enough to compete with Intel quad-cores and dual-cores, but the prices do.

c. Phenom x3 8x50 series
Release time: 8250e, 8450e (Q3), 8450, 8650, 8750 (selling), 8550 (Q3)
Code name: Toliman (revision B3)
Socket: Socket AM2+
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 3
L2 cache size: 512KB per core
L3 cache size: 2MB shared
Clock speeds: 8250e - 1.9GHz, 8450(e) - 2.1GHz, 8550 - 2.2GHz 8650 - 2.3GHz, 8750 - 2.4GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: HyperTransport 3.0 3.6GHz (14.4GB/s)
Other specifications: half multiplier, SSE4A, Virtualization
Expected price: 8450 - $125, 8550 - $145 (Q3), 8650 - $145, 8750 - $175
Expected market position: to replace rev. B2 Phenom 8xx0 series
My commemt: It seems that the triple-cores will not be popular as the performance is not appealing against Intel 45nm dual-cores in single- and dual-threaded applications and the price of quad-cores are not that high for AMD.

d. Athlon x2 4x50e series
Release time: 4050e, 4450e, 4850e (selling)
Code name: Brisbane (revision G2)
Socket: Socket AM2
Fabrication process: 65nm
Number of Cores: 2
L2 cache size: 512KB per core
Clock speeds: 4050e - 2.1GHz, 4450e - 2.3GHz, 4850e - 2.5GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: HyperTransport 2.0GHz (8GB/s)
Other specifications: half multiplier, Virtualization
Expected price: 4050e - $66, 4450e - $76, 4850e - $87
Expected market position: to replace the Athlon BE series
My commemt: Another meaningless renaming move by AMD.

e. New Phenom x4 series
Release time: Q4
Code name: Deneb / Propus (unknown revision)
Socket: Socket AM3 (compatible with Socket AM2+)
Fabrication process: 45nm
Number of Cores: 4
L2 cache size: 512KB per core
L3 cache size: shared, rumoured to be 6MB (for Deneb only)
Clock speeds: 2.4GHz - 2.8GHz
Processor-to-northbridge speed: HyperTransport 3.0 (unknown bandwidth)
Other specifications: half multiplier, SSE4A, Virtualization
Expected price: unknown
Expected market position: to replace 65nm Phenom 9xxx series
My commemt: Expected to be only competitive in price as the frequency is not that high.

3. Current and future Intel and AMD pricing
1. Intel: Current (Q3)
Quad-core CPUs
QX9775: $1499 x2
QX9770: $1399
QX9650: $999
QX6850: $999
QX6800: $999

Q9650: $530
Q9550: $316
Q9450: $316
Q9400: $266
Q9300: $266
Q8200: ($203)
Q6700: $266
Q6600: $193

Dual-core CPUs
E8600: $266
E8500: $183
E8400: $163
E8300: $163
E8200: $163
E8190: $163

E7300: $133
E7200: $113

E4700: $133
E4600: $113

E5200: ($84)

P-E2220: $84
P-E2200: $74
P-E2180: $64
P-E2160: $64
P-E2140: $64

Celeron E1400: $53
Celeron E1200: $43

Single-core CPUs
C440: $44
C430: $34
C420: $34

2. AMD: Current
Quad-core CPUs
Phenom x4 9950 BE: $235
Phenom x4 9850: $205
Phenom x4 9750: $215
Phenom x4 9650: $195
Phenom x4 9550: $175
Phenom x4 9350e: $195
Phenom x4 9150e: $175

Phenom x3 8750: $175
Phenom x3 8650: $145
Phenom x3 8450: $125

Dual-core CPUs
A64x2 6000+: $112
A64x2 5880+: $112
A64x2 5600+: $102
A64x2 5400+: $87
A64x2 5200+: $76
A64x2 5000+: $66
A64x2 4800+: $62
A64x2 4600+: $58

Single-core CPUs
Athlon LE-1640: $41
Athlon LE-1620: $41

Sempron LE-1300: $41
Sempron LE-1250: $36
Sempron LE-1200: $30

4. About the manufacturing side:
1. Intel
They are now leading in CPU performance and power consumption. The transition to 45nm process is healthy and Intel is going to aggressively ramp up 45nm process and 4 fabrication plants are to be equipped with 45nm technology in 2008. The power consumption of the 45nm CPUs are healty until 4GHz and Intel has the room to raise frequency easily.

2. AMD
Fab 30 is now shut down. Fab 36 is ramping up 65nm and preparing for 45nm process. Since the capital expansion cost of AMD is projected to be of only $1.1B, there will not be significant advance on AMD\'s manufacturing capacity. 45nm facility is expected to be online at Q3 onwards.

5. Reference:
Intel processors:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3101
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3102
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3154
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3184
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3264
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9070
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9417
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9823
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10362
http://www.dailytech.com/Intels+ ... i7/article12625.htm
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=171 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=238 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=247 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=568 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=594 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=618 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=788 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=797 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=1175 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=1306 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=1447 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=1558 (Chinese)
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20070815122559.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20070817173238.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20070920230126.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20071011171900.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20071011211728.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20071012161815.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20071015155739.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu ... idge_Necessity.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu ... icroprocessors.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mai ... icroprocessors.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu ... e_Desktop_Chip.html
http://files.shareholder.com/dow ... 19_08_1ku_Price.pdf

AMD processors:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7911
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=7913
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8221
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8916
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9237
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9891
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9899
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9914
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9995
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10034
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11191
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3050
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=377 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=550 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=755 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=757 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=890 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=1013 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=1081 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=1100 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=1118 (Chinese)
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=1295 (Chinese)
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20070628163848.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20071015233403.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20071022211442.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu ... _Further_Delay.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu ... g_Phenom_Chips.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu ... nom_Processors.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu ... n_April_Source.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu ... shed_Barcelona.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu ... Upcoming_Plans.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/phenom-x4-9850.html
http://www.amd.com/pricing

作者: dom 時間: 2007-9-27 05:01

If AMD delay K10 again , things will get pretty bad for them :(

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2007-9-27 21:23

引用:

Originally posted by dom at 2007-9-27 05:01:
If AMD delay K10 again , things will get pretty bad for them :(

i know

作者: trentcys 時間: 2007-9-27 23:55

I seriously doubt their intelligence in deciding to make x3 chips, this will impact both their x2 and x4 lines. Given Intel\'s pricing is already seamless between dual and quad cores, there\'s no price gap for x3 to exploit.

That left x3 only possible to compete against the upper segment of Intel C2D which will be economically unwise or (consider these are marked down quad cores) difficult in pricing and marketing.

And perhaps regarding AMD\'s lousy marketing strategy (with respect for their past), one could only say..."Against stupidity the gods themselves struggle in vain."

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2007-9-28 01:03

引用:

Originally posted by trentcys at 2007-9-27 23:55:
I seriously doubt their intelligence in deciding to make x3 chips, this will impact both their x2 and x4 lines. Given Intel\'s pricing is already seamless between dual and quad cores, there\'s no pri ...

我愈打愈唔明tim la

作者: Tommi_Vercetti 時間: 2008-1-1 23:24

引用:

Originally posted by qcmadness at 2007-9-28 01:03:

我愈打愈唔明tim la

1, QX9770/9775 retail應該是C0 (rumored)
2, 暫時Celeron-DC會去到E1600 (2.4Ghz) -->Source: Coolaler, i.e AMD有難

作者: dom 時間: 2008-1-7 04:10

Celeron "DualCore" E1600 @ 2.4GHz 同 A64x2 5200+ 打??

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2008-1-7 11:05

引用:

Originally posted by dom at 2008-1-7 04:10:
Celeron "DualCore" E1600 @ 2.4GHz 同 A64x2 5200+ 打??

有排都唔會出住

作者: Tommi_Vercetti 時間: 2008-1-10 16:50

引用:

Originally posted by qcmadness at 2008-1-7 11:05:

有排都唔會出住

我估至少Q3-4
不過E7X00就…

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2008-1-10 16:50

引用:

Originally posted by Tommi_Vercetti at 2008-1-10 16:50:

我估至少Q3-4
不過E7X00就…

我會update, 已有消息

作者: trentcys 時間: 2008-5-19 21:48

其實Bloomfield o既LGA1366 platform係取代而家o既 Core 2 XE & Skulltrail platform定點?

唔會係用2種sockets分開upper同lower mainstream掛?

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2008-5-19 23:36

引用:

Originally posted by trentcys at 2008-5-19 21:48:
其實Bloomfield o既LGA1366 platform係取代而家o既 Core 2 XE & Skulltrail platform定點?

唔會係用2種sockets分開upper同lower mainstream掛?

無錯

作者: trentcys 時間: 2008-7-14 23:36

引用:

Originally posted by qcmadness at 2008-5-19 23:36:

無錯

EPC出左Bloomfield update...
暫定最low end o個粒會係US$284 (per k-u)

Intel 唔係真係想將mainstream市場一分為二嘛?!

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2008-7-15 11:05

引用:

Originally posted by trentcys at 2008-7-14 23:36:

EPC出左Bloomfield update...
暫定最low end o個粒會係US$284 (per k-u)

Intel 唔係真係想將mainstream市場一分為二嘛?!

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