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作者: Aware 時間: 2010-2-18 20:10 標題: GF100良率仲係單位數？

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010 ... oken-and-unfixable/
係既話2010年NV都唔會有DX11

作者: SilverLake 時間: 2010-2-18 21:58

引用:

Originally posted by Aware at 2010-2-18 20:10:
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010 ... oken-and-unfixable/
係既話2010年NV都唔會有DX11

if the predictions/rumours of above site are 50% correct
meaningless to launch a product that sell us$500 and
manufacturing cost is $1000 or above.
NV doomed

if AMD new software work 50% as good as promised
the different between NV vs AMD driver will be much narrower.
with monthly update on gamer profile, four to six month
(counting from march) , the game profile become stable.
NV doomed

50% X 50%
approx 25% chance NV keep nose above water

chipset drop dramatically coming quarter
GT3xx is another rename stuff
GT4xx may sell one buck loss 2 or 3 buck

NV

作者: Aware 時間: 2010-2-18 22:06

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Originally posted by SilverLake at 2010-2-18 21:58:

if the predictions/rumours of above site are 50% correct
meaningless to launch a product that sell us$500 and
manufacturing cost is $1000 or above.
NV doomed

if AMD new software wor ...

雖然AMD獨大唔係好事，不過我都係要講句「淨係識整大牛龜，NV你都有今日啦，不思進取丫啦。」

作者: SilverLake 時間: 2010-2-18 22:35

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Originally posted by Aware at 2010-2-18 22:06:

雖然AMD獨大唔係好事，不過我都係要講句「淨係識整大牛龜，NV你都有今日啦，不思進取丫啦。」

the real ceo has said NV migrate to the 40nm process a little bit late.

too bad for NV to overlook the misery ATI guy, they learnt bitty lesson from R6xx late.

AMD really get beating by intel tick-tuck approach.
now it is using the advance process to kill NV.
given that the complete r8xx/Everygreen is line up,
engineer can concentrate on 1) improve the yield and
2) next generation r9xx 28nm process.

still an under-dog in cpu area, let see how the multi-core
and later the X times cpu-core + Y times graphic core will bring up.
will be quite fanny then.

作者: Aware 時間: 2010-2-18 22:52

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Originally posted by SilverLake at 2010-2-18 22:35:

the real ceo has said NV migrate to the 40nm process a little bit late.

too bad for NV to overlook the misery ATI guy, they learnt bitty lesson from R6xx late.

AMD really get beating by ...

只要RV8XX同Phenom融合成功，AMD就有轉機。

作者: 河本鬼茂 時間: 2010-2-18 23:29

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Originally posted by Aware at 2010-2-18 22:52:

只要RV8XX同Phenom融合成功，AMD就有轉機。

最緊要搞掂driver

作者: SilverLake 時間: 2010-2-18 23:55

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Originally posted by Aware at 2010-2-18 22:52:

只要RV8XX同Phenom融合成功，AMD就有轉機。

1) expect to see fall/2010 , the 2nd generation 4770

i.e. an 28nm 5750 or 5770 to test the process
at that time, the fermi may be finally out of the mud (40nm process hell)

2) AMD may not take too much risk for the first generation fusion cpu.
if put a 5870 core with the cpu may cause the size too big (fermi case) to make.
probably a mid-level GPU , easier to make.
also, even with the hardware ready, without the software help a.k.a. microsoft
won\'t take off

so NV real CEO is really stupid to

with Intel / MS.

some big kid you can only

作者: Aware 時間: 2010-2-19 00:15

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Originally posted by SilverLake at 2010-2-18 23:55:

1) expect to see fall/2010 , the 2nd generation 4770
i.e. an 28nm 5750 or 5770 to test the process
at that time, the fermi may be finally out of the mud (40nm process hell)

2) AMD may ...

DX11冇用，激M$
CPU冇用，激Intel
而家chipset唔比你玩，DX11制定又唔預你，死未。

作者: SilverLake 時間: 2010-2-19 00:45

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Originally posted by Aware at 2010-2-19 00:15:

DX11冇用，激M$
CPU冇用，激Intel
而家chipset唔比你玩，DX11制定又唔預你，死未。

[ joking mode/on ]

no cpu
no chipset
gpu delay one delay two delay three delay four

end up - 被 VIA 收購

[ joking ]

作者: Aware 時間: 2010-2-19 00:47

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Originally posted by SilverLake at 2010-2-19 00:45:

[ joking mode/on ]

no cpu
no chipset
gpu delay one delay two delay three delay four

end up - 被 VIA 收購

[ joking ]

VIA：「我有S3洗鬼要你，你快啲同我去死」

作者: dom 時間: 2010-2-19 01:08

引用:

Originally posted by SilverLake at 2010-2-18 21:58:

if the predictions/rumours of above site are 50% correct
meaningless to launch a product that sell us$500 and
manufacturing cost is $1000 or above.
NV doomed

if AMD new software wor ...

NEVER Expect ATI Driver to improve to "nVIDIA" class of stable and optimized

作者: dom 時間: 2010-2-19 01:10

引用:

Originally posted by SilverLake at 2010-2-18 22:35:

the real ceo has said NV migrate to the 40nm process a little bit late.

too bad for NV to overlook the misery ATI guy, they learnt bitty lesson from R6xx late.

AMD really get beating by ...

Athlon II x4 @ 32nm + HD5650 class GPU => "First Fusion" Product
Sounds better than "Dual Core w/HT + Intel GMA XD Graphic "

But ATI need to work harder with the driver and AMD have to improve IPC of their CPU .....

作者: dom 時間: 2010-2-19 01:14

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Originally posted by Aware at 2010-2-19 00:15:

DX11冇用，激M$
CPU冇用，激Intel
而家chipset唔比你玩，DX11制定又唔預你，死未。

當年 XBOX 得罪 M$ , DX9.0年代即刻無運行 (GeForce FX

)
XBOX360 唔再用你 nV (*得 Sony 先咁傻用佢 "舊野" GF 7800GTX.........

)
因為有份幫手 , M$ 當然會比多d 料你 ATI 執
所以見到 Vista / Win 7 既 A 記 Driver 明顯好左

CPU 又辣慶 Intel, 初頭重頂嘴要加 chip 先行到 SLi @ X58 / P55
最後一樣要讓步

AMD 有自家 "ATI" , Chipset 搭埋 3A 平台又賣得 , 唔駛理你 nForce / GPU

同樣道理
Creative 玩野玩自家專用辣慶 M$
到 WinVista / Win7 廢晒你 EAX / Hardware 加速 , 一樣玩死 Creative

所以做 Hardware , 唔好得罪 M$

[ Last edited by dom on 2010-2-19 at 01:16 ]

作者: Aware 時間: 2010-2-19 12:34

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Originally posted by dom at 2010-2-19 01:08:

NEVER Expect ATI Driver to improve to "nVIDIA" class of stable and optimized

都係講句，NV係Vista/Win7食咗屎咁出BSoD

作者: Aware 時間: 2010-2-19 12:35

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Originally posted by dom at 2010-2-19 01:14:

當年 XBOX 得罪 M$ , DX9.0年代即刻無運行 (GeForce FX )
XBOX360 唔再用你 nV (*得 Sony 先咁傻用佢 "舊野" GF 7800GTX......... )
因為有份幫手 , M$ 當然會比多d 料你 A ...

除咗非IT業，有邊個真係好似google咁有gust

作者: SilverLake 時間: 2010-2-19 15:08

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Originally posted by dom at 2010-2-19 01:08:

NEVER Expect ATI Driver to improve to "nVIDIA" class of stable and optimized

only times can tell.

so, I just make prediction/assumption that ATI can deliver 50% of their promise.

just like the Catalyst driver month scheme, most think ATI will not able to keep
it regularly as history saying ATI always delay.

10.3 - gamer profile on seperate file instead of in the driver is a big conceptual change.
just take 6 months time to have it stable and rock&roll.
i.e. 10.9 should make most game playable

you know

$$ the way $$ pc game developers being pay.
so if NV driver is 100 mark, ATI get 60 mark is very outstanding.
remember that batman game

作者: Tommi_Vercetti 時間: 2010-2-19 15:33

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3740
好文分享，論RV870開發史，我覺得幾諷刺NV

[ Last edited by Tommi_Vercetti on 2010-2-19 at 15:39 ]

作者: dom 時間: 2010-2-19 22:46

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Originally posted by SilverLake at 2010-2-19 15:08:

only times can tell.

so, I just make prediction/assumption that ATI can deliver 50% of their promise.

just like the Catalyst driver month scheme, most think ATI will not able to keep
i ...

Well ATI is improving .....

作者: dom 時間: 2010-2-19 23:48

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Originally posted by Aware at 2010-2-19 12:34:

都係講句，NV係Vista/Win7食咗屎咁出BSoD

M$ 要冼你有幾難

正如當年 Netscape ......Win 95 用好地地, 轉左 Win98 成日 GPF

作者: dom 時間: 2010-2-20 00:09

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Originally posted by Tommi_Vercetti at 2010-2-19 15:33:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3740
好文分享，論RV870開發史，我覺得幾諷刺NV

[ Last edited by Tommi_Vercetti on 2010-2-19 at 15:39 ]

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3740&p=8
吋緊 nV

作者: Tommi_Vercetti 時間: 2010-2-21 02:50

良率單位數無從判斷，但好多N仔廠未收到Chips是事實

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2010-2-21 03:27

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Originally posted by Tommi_Vercetti at 2010-2-21 02:50:
良率單位數無從判斷，但好多N仔廠未收到Chips是事實

駛鬼收chip

肯定全部BBN架啦

作者: Tommi_Vercetti 時間: 2010-2-21 14:26

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Originally posted by qcmadness at 2010-2-21 03:27:

駛鬼收chip

肯定全部BBN架啦

但BBN卡N廠那邊也收到好少

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2010-2-21 21:21

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Originally posted by Tommi_Vercetti at 2010-2-21 14:26:
但BBN卡N廠那邊也收到好少

都無預3月出大貨

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