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作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-20 20:20 標題: X86 router NAT performance w/ Atom board? The ANS is NO.

Actually, to what extent can an Atom board(D525) router offers?
In terms of NAT performance(main concern), can it reach 1000Mbit/s?

Besides getting a readily available router, software router maybe considered if its performance is high enough.
On viewing some advertisement, Atom board router can handle up to 550Mbit/s NAT, is it all it can give?
And I must need a like a G620T for the desired router?

Or another solution, direct connect to server and set the router inside it?
Any suggestion are welcome.

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-12-1 09:25 編輯 ]

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-20 20:48

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-20 20:20 發表
Actually, to what extent can an Atom board(D525) router offers?
In terms of NAT performance(main concern), can it reach 1000Mbit/s?

Besides getting a readily available router, software router maybe c ...

睇你咩com chip..
x86 絕對夠 handle 125MB/s 的,
睇你咩com chip 同os

cc this:
http://tw.network01.net/modules/ ... _id=237&forum=6

[ 本帖最後由 jackli 於 2011-11-20 20:50 編輯 ]

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-20 20:52

引用:

原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-20 20:48 發表

睇你咩com chip..
x86 絕對夠 handle 125MB/s 的,
睇你咩com chip 同os

cc this:
http://tw.network01.net/modules/ ... _id=237&forum=6

Thanks for the info,
but in that sharing, the max NAT is around 250 Mbps,
Do you know if Atom D525 can handle BB1000 without losing much bandwidth?

D525's tdp is around 13W, it looks getting a G630T (TDP 35W) has no great difference from it.

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-11-20 20:54 編輯 ]

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-20 20:57

Just found this,
J&W Minix ITX C7M1026 motherboard

http://news.softpedia.com/news/I ... arance-215645.shtml

Looks a good board for Router, reading reviews.

Would those Realtek Lan cards an obstacle to performance?

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-11-20 21:03 編輯 ]

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2011-11-20 21:06

atom d525 can handle dual gb wan

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-20 21:13

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-11-20 21:06 發表
atom d525 can handle dual gb wan

Thank you for your promising ans,

But now D2700 looks more handsome

http://www.netbooklive.com/intel ... -comparisons-12025/

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-20 21:15

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-20 20:52 發表

Thanks for the info,
but in that sharing, the max NAT is around 250 Mbps,
Do you know if Atom D525 can handle BB1000 without losing much bandwidth?

D525's tdp is around 13W, it looks getting a G630 ...

你有冇試過玩atom, 玩raid or ssd 對抄? 125MB/s 絕對唔系問題...
買張貴DUAL LAN PCI-E x 8 EVEN x16 包你做到,
當然, 到時你一定要行raid OR RAMDISK, 125MB/s 平均速度trad harddisk做唔到test OR 實際用

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-20 21:17

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原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-20 21:15 發表

你有冇試過玩atom, 玩raid or ssd 對抄? 125MB/s 絕對唔系問題...
買張貴DUAL LAN PCI-E x 8 EVEN x16 包你做到,
當然, 到時你一定要行raid OR RAMDISK, 125MB/s 平均速度trad harddisk做唔到test OR 實際用 ...

Not really, I had a very poor impression after touching them once(N270 at the moment).
I don't need any harddisk on it, I will use USB Flash Drive to install OS, it will be a router only.

買張貴DUAL LAN PCI-E x 8 EVEN x16 包你做到,
Is this a must?
Or I can do this with Realtek onboard lan?

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-11-20 21:19 編輯 ]

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-20 21:27

用MikroTik routeros + x86 + pciex4 包你實快
其實p4 都做到, 不過佢個pci慢, pci-x 又先剛剛夠.,.,,.

未有pcie <-> south bridge 依家咁快

[ 本帖最後由 jackli 於 2011-11-20 21:28 編輯 ]

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-20 21:31

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原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-20 21:27 發表
用MikroTik routeros + x86 + pciex4 包你實快
其實p4 都做到, 不過佢個pci慢, pci-x 又先剛剛夠.,.,,.

未有pcie south bridge 依家咁快

I see, thank you for your sharing,
probably will wait to get a D2700 embedded board first.

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-20 21:37

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-20 21:31 發表

I see, thank you for your sharing,
probably will wait to get a D2700 embedded board first.

不過我都系好懶...
用wzr-hp-g300nh做哂所有野...

PID USER VSZ STAT COMMAND
1 root 1068 S /sbin/init
2 root 0 SW< [kthreadd]
3 root 0 SW< [ksoftirqd/0]
4 root 0 SW< [events/0]
5 root 0 SW< [khelper]
48 root 0 SW< [kblockd/0]
58 root 0 SW< [khubd]
74 root 0 SW [pdflush]
75 root 0 SW [pdflush]
76 root 0 DW< [kswapd0]
77 root 0 SW< [aio/0]
609 root 0 SW< [mtdblockd]
640 root 0 SW< [scsi_eh_0]
641 root 0 SW< [usb-storage]
658 root 1484 S watchdog
784 root 1448 S resetbutton
873 root 1008 S telnetd
894 root 616 S pptpd -c /tmp/pptpd/pptpd.conf -o /tmp/pptpd/options.
897 root 628 S cron
907 root 1140 S ttraff
910 root 744 S dnsmasq --conf-file=/tmp/dnsmasq.conf
922 root 1008 S dropbear -b /tmp/loginprompt -r /tmp/root/.ssh/ssh_ho
924 root 1356 S proftpd: (accepting connections)
1135 root 2464 S httpd -p 80
1652 root 628 S udhcpc -i eth1 -p /var/run/udhcpc.pid -s /tmp/udhcpc
1655 root 0 SW< [kjournald]
1667 root 34456 S amuled -c /mnt/root/.aMule -f
1668 root 34456 S amuled -c /mnt/root/.aMule -f
1669 root 34456 S amuled -c /mnt/root/.aMule -f
1671 root 34456 S amuled -c /mnt/root/.aMule -f
1672 root 8936 S amuleweb --amule-config-file=/mnt/root/.aMule/amule.c
1674 root 34456 S amuled -c /mnt/root/.aMule -f
1687 root 744 S /opt/usr/sbin/p9100d -b -f /dev/usb/lp0 0
1693 root 2484 S N /opt/bin/smbd -s /opt/etc/samba/smb.conf
1700 root 3960 S transmission-daemon -g /mnt/root/.config/transmission
1701 root 3960 S transmission-daemon -g /mnt/root/.config/transmission
1702 root 3960 S transmission-daemon -g /mnt/root/.config/transmission
1703 root 3960 S transmission-daemon -g /mnt/root/.config/transmission
1706 root 1176 S sh sh02.sh
1715 root 40444 S /mnt/opt/usr/bin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/my.cnf
1718 root 3640 S lighttpd -f /opt/etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf -m /opt/u
1719 root 7768 S /opt/usr/bin/php-cgi
1720 root 7768 S /opt/usr/bin/php-cgi
1721 root 7768 S /opt/usr/bin/php-cgi
1722 root 7768 S /opt/usr/bin/php-cgi
1730 root 40444 S /mnt/opt/usr/bin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/my.cnf
1731 root 40444 S /mnt/opt/usr/bin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/my.cnf
1732 root 40444 S /mnt/opt/usr/bin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/my.cnf
1733 root 40444 S /mnt/opt/usr/bin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/my.cnf
1734 root 40444 S /mnt/opt/usr/bin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/my.cnf
1735 root 8104 S /opt/usr/bin/php-cgi
1736 root 7768 S /opt/usr/bin/php-cgi
1737 root 7768 S /opt/usr/bin/php-cgi
1738 root 7840 S /opt/usr/bin/php-cgi
1757 root 40444 S /mnt/opt/usr/bin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/my.cnf
1758 root 40444 S /mnt/opt/usr/bin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/my.cnf
1759 root 40444 S /mnt/opt/usr/bin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/my.cnf
1760 root 40444 S /mnt/opt/usr/bin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/my.cnf
1764 root 34456 S amuled -c /mnt/root/.aMule -f
5152 root 40444 S /mnt/opt/usr/bin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/my.cnf
5153 root 40444 S /mnt/opt/usr/bin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/my.cnf
14717 root 1140 S process_monitor
14721 root 844 S inadyn -u -p --input_file /tmp/ddns
14856 root 1204 S upnp -D -W eth1
16169 root 1168 S sleep 60
16189 root 1176 S sh -c ps
16190 root 1176 R ps

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-20 21:42

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原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-20 21:37 發表

不過我都系好懶...
用wzr-hp-g300nh做哂所有野...

PID USER VSZ STAT COMMAND
1 root 1068 S /sbin/init
2 root 0 SW< [kthreadd]
3 root 0 SW< [ksoftirqd/0]
4 root 0 SW< [events/0]
5 root 0 SW< [khelper]
...

I am using the same, but it seems it is too slow for BB1000

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-11-20 21:45 編輯 ]

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2011-11-20 21:45

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-20 21:13 發表

Thank you for your promising ans,

But now D2700 looks more handsome
http://www.netbooklive.com/intel ... -comparisons-12025/

d2700 will need a properly threaded OS to beat e-350

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-20 21:56

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-11-20 21:45 發表

d2700 will need a properly threaded OS to beat e-350

D2700 w/o HT < E-350?

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2011-11-20 22:41

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-20 21:56 發表

D2700 w/o HT < E-350?

The Cinebench one

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-20 22:42

E350 算吧

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-20 22:49

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-11-20 22:41 發表

The Cinebench one

I see, but still in most apps D2700 is leading to some extent.

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2011-11-20 22:52

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-20 22:49 發表

I see, but still in most apps D2700 is leading to some extent.

Same architecture, a little bit freq increase can overcome 30%+ single thread performance?

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-20 23:09

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-11-20 22:52 發表

Same architecture, a little bit freq increase can overcome 30%+ single thread performance?

Despite this fact, reviews are not quite consistent.
Maybe more reviews have to be concerned.

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 00:33

Besides, does the lan controller matter?
Will an Intel controller make a difference, or better to say, will a dual lan realtek based board turn out to be the bottleneck itself?

Another question, the bandwidth of PCI-E 2.0 x1 looks not enough for 1GB Lan card, is it the story?
Thanks in advance.

PS: If D525 is good enough, I will save 300 from getting E-350.

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 00:41 編輯 ]

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2011-11-21 01:10

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 00:33 發表
Besides, does the lan controller matter?
Will an Intel controller make a difference, or better to say, will a dual lan realtek based board turn out to be the bottleneck itself?

Another question, the ...

not much

all lan controller can do 900Mbps

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 01:24

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-11-21 01:10 發表

not much

all lan controller can do 900Mbps

As viewing from Newegg, someone said that when their server CPU is high(~90%), the throughtput speed dropped from 75MB/s to 20MB/s using onboard,
but a drop of 75MB/s to 70MB/s is observed after using Intel 1000 CT.

Another point is that, on my notebook which is using a Broadcom Lan controller and Intel T6500,
the CPU utilization goes up to 40%(constantly) when transferring files between notebook and server.
Is this case different from what a router works? Or the high utilization is actually due to storage's I/O, and router won't suffer from the same?

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-21 11:04

其實你想用點用?
24hours 都系 1000Mbps wan<->lan??
定系好多時間都系 lan<->lan?

你想知到cpu 的影響, 可以download你隻routeros 落usb thumb, usb boot 試
用部四核試一次, 用部atom 又試一次, lan 卡用返同一張
然後用果個j唔知咩咩java speed tester 測下你就知..
根本最大bottleneck 系storage device...

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-21 11:34

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原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-21 11:04 發表
其實你想用點用?
24hours 都系 1000Mbps wanlan??
定系好多時間都系 lanlan?

你想知到cpu 的影響, 可以download你隻routeros 落usb thumb, usb boot 試
用部四核試一次, 用部atom 又試一次, lan 卡用返同一張
然後 ...

Lan <> Lan 我最快都係 60M 左右

平均45

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2011-11-21 11:35

realtek driver: linux is better

作者: YCST 時間: 2011-11-21 12:53

Storage devices are the main bottleneck. I tried to use FTP to transfer large file between two onboard realtek NIC machines in my home network, transfer rate is about 70-90MB/s. When I use network testing tool, transfer rate is increased to 110-117MB/s.

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 13:17

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原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-21 11:04 發表
其實你想用點用?
24hours 都系 1000Mbps wanlan??
定系好多時間都系 lanlan?

你想知到cpu 的影響, 可以download你隻routeros 落usb thumb, usb boot 試
用部四核試一次, 用部atom 又試一次, lan 卡用返同一張
然後 ...

24x7 1000Mbit/s NAT

and extremely stable as a router;
For BT(main throughput), FTP, VPN+MS RDP, Web Host<-- all these are done by server.
, so I need to know the capability for margin.

Per your experience, it looks unsuitable for me to refer to file transfer speed and CPU utilization.
Still getting more information for the NAT,
btw, any channel for Cr@cked RouterOS, or license must be bought?

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 13:50 編輯 ]

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 13:29

Another stupid question,
I found a card form Intel, Intel 1000 GT, which is a Giga Lan card on PCI,
would PCI's bandwidth enough to run it for 1000Mbps?

And do you know if Intel WiFi Link 6300 a good option for WiFi?

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 13:31 編輯 ]

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-21 13:33

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 13:17 發表

24x7 1000Mbit/s NAT and extremely stable as a router, for BT(main throughput), FTP, VPN+MS RDP, Web Host

nat + firewall 絕對唔應該同 php, mysql, ftp 等server 同一部機,
當你一路比十幾個人fetching php+mysql, 又比幾條友幾十MB/s download,
仲要做埋nat + firewall, 唔好計 qos 添, atom 緊系唔夠力la,

我以為你淨系做nat + 少量bt + 幾丁友上網 <~ 咁就一個atom 可以食盡125MB/s
除左Mbps外, I/O number 都好緊要嫁..
唔系咩野做到DDOS~ 大量食哂你D I/O

[ 本帖最後由 jackli 於 2011-11-21 13:44 編輯 ]

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-21 13:34

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 13:29 發表
Another stupid question,
I found a card form Intel, Intel 1000 GT, which is a Giga Lan card on PCI,
would PCI's bandwidth enough to run it for 1000Mbps?

And do you know if Intel WiFi Link 6300 a goo ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_PCI

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 13:49

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原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-21 13:33 發表

nat + firewall 絕對唔應該同 php, mysql, ftp 等server 同一部機,
當你一路比十幾個人fetching php+mysql, 又比幾條友幾十MB/s download,
仲要做埋nat + firewall, 唔好計 qos 添, atom 緊系唔夠力la,

我以為 ...

No, sorry that I may have misled you,
I have a server for all other function,

the concerning X86 router serves only as a router.

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 13:52

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原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-21 13:34 發表

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_PCI

Oh I know why, I wrongly read it as b instead of B.

Then they are all fine.

Now my expected system:
Intel D525 board + Intel 1000 GT + Intel WiFi Link 6300 + Others accessories.
Hopefully I can get the above for ~$1200.

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 14:00 編輯 ]

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-21 13:57

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 13:52 發表

Oh I know why, I wrongly read it as b instead of B.
Then they are all fine.

Now my expected system:
Intel D525 board + Intel 1000 GT + Intel WiFi Link 6300 + Others accessories.
Hopefully ge ...

不過記著 ,..,,.pci 個 133MB/s系好理論... 實際系無133MB/s
唔似pci-e x1 有 150MB/s...

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 13:59

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原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-21 13:57 發表

不過記著 ,..,,.pci 個 133MB/s系好理論... 實際系無133MB/s
唔似pci-e x1 有 150MB/s...

~>90MB/s I am ok

Thanks a lot for all of your sharing.

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 14:09

Sigh, just found that Intel's own D525 is not using Intel Lan controller, then I don't have to limit my own choice to Intel now.
Probably will wait for the ASUS D2700 board instead.

In case I have 1 port of Realtek controller,
another port of Intel Controller,
does it make any difference for which one to use as WAN port?

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-21 15:27

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 13:17 發表

24x7 1000Mbit/s NAT and extremely stable as a router;
For BT(main throughput), FTP, VPN+MS RDP, Web Host

試下我個隻先

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-21 15:29

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 13:29 發表
Another stupid question,
I found a card form Intel, Intel 1000 GT, which is a Giga Lan card on PCI,
would PCI's bandwidth enough to run it for 1000Mbps?

And do you know if Intel WiFi Link 6300 a goo ...

intel wifi driver on linux = 0
go ar or RT

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 15:56

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原帖由 lctang 於 2011-11-21 15:29 發表

intel wifi driver on linux = 0
go ar or RT

But it looks I don't have another slot other than Mini-Card for WiFi........cause the desired form factor is ITX.
That means I have to pick a dual port board.

Using USB adapter?
Any suggestion(better compatibility is preferred) are welcome, as the wifi is just to for iPad something.

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 16:04 編輯 ]

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-21 16:51

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 15:56 發表

But it looks I don't have another slot other than Mini-Card for WiFi........cause the desired form factor is ITX.
That means I have to pick a dual port board.

Using USB adapter?
Any sugge ...

你找D寫明十卜linux unix 實無死la

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-21 17:14

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原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-21 16:51 發表

你找D寫明十卜linux unix 實無死la

睇咩UXXX 咩肥多十5十仲好

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-21 17:14

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 15:56 發表

But it looks I don't have another slot other than Mini-Card for WiFi........cause the desired form factor is ITX.
That means I have to pick a dual port board.

Using USB adapter?
Any sugge ...

上淘寶搞掂佢

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 21:52

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原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-21 16:51 發表

你找D寫明十卜linux unix 實無死la

Probably I will buy a cheap cheap USB WiFI stick, but now I will let my friend get me a Intel Pro1000 CT first probably,
btw, can I use only a dual port Intel Lan card to set the Lan+Wan Port, or I must need two different controller?
Thanks.

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-21 22:15

Dual port is ok

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 22:28

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原帖由 lctang 於 2011-11-21 22:15 發表
Dual port is ok

As I actually found some old Intel Pro 1000 MT in SSP,
do you think if they are capable?

Updated : It looks MT is of PCI-X.....

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 22:38 編輯 ]

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-21 22:50

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 21:52 發表

Probably I will buy a cheap cheap USB WiFI stick, but now I will let my friend get me a Intel Pro1000 CT first probably,
btw, can I use only a dual port Intel Lan card to set the Lan+Wan Port, or I m ...

dual port, pci-e 4x 咪ok lor lor~

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 22:53

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原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-21 22:50 發表

dual port, pci-e 4x 咪ok lor lor~

I just don't want to overkill with this router.
If it is to cost > 1200, then I will buy from ASUS.........

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-21 23:03

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 22:53 發表

I just don't want to overkill with this router.
If it is to cost > 1200, then I will buy from ASUS.........

pci-x 都ok, 1064 MB/s

pci 都有
133 MB/s (32-bit at 33 MHz)
266 MB/s (32-bit at 66 MHz or 64-bit at 33 MHz)
533 MB/s (64-bit at 66 MHz)

;

不過我話pci 唔系好足姐

因為好多因素

;

你試左先la, 效果唔好咪買router 囉

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 23:06

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原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-21 23:03 發表

pci-x 都ok, 1064 MB/s
pci 都有
133 MB/s (32-bit at 33 MHz)
266 MB/s (32-bit at 66 MHz or 64-bit at 33 MHz)
533 MB/s (64-bit at 66 MHz)

;

不過我話pci 唔系好足姐
因為好多因素:banana ...

Probably I will use Realtek Onbard + Intel Card solution,
but my question is that, is there any difference for me to make the Intel Port or Realtek port as the WAN port, in terms of CPU utilization?

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-21 23:13

如果你手上有料, 就試左先la...
x86 絕對快過 router cpu 比如話:AR9132,BCM4705

當然你用咩os, 點set 都好有關系

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 23:21

引用:

原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-21 23:13 發表
如果你手上有料, 就試左先la...
x86 絕對快過 router cpu 比如話:AR9132,BCM4705

當然你用咩os, 點set 都好有關系

I have nothing comparable to Atom,
but on studying I do think Atom won't be the bottleneck, so probably I will get the X86 router as proposed.

While another issue is on the OS,
Router OS costs, and I may not be using it.
I am not sure if other Router OS would have good NAT performance.

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-21 23:29

cheap cheap wzr-hp-g300nh 都食得哂gigalan la,
一條連線真系食唔哂,, 可能要fine tune

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-21 23:31

我咪e-350 + mt @ PCI 32bit
睇我用 clearOS Nat 大約幾多

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-21 23:33

引用:

原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 23:21 發表

I have nothing comparable to Atom,
but on studying I do think Atom won't be the bottleneck, so probably I will get the X86 router as proposed.

While another issue is on the OS,
Router OS costs, and ...

唔用得商業軟件咪用
ddwrt x86 OR PfSense 囉

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 23:36

引用:

原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-21 23:29 發表
cheap cheap wzr-hp-g300nh 都食得哂gigalan la,
一條連線真系食唔哂,, 可能要fine tune

Giga lan is fine on my router too, while the question on the WAN<-->Lan

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 23:36

引用:

原帖由 lctang 於 2011-11-21 23:31 發表
我咪e-350 + mt @ PCI 32bit
睇我用 clearOS Nat 大約幾多

Would you mind listing the hardware model you are using for reference?
Thank you.

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-21 23:37

引用:

原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-21 23:36 發表

Giga lan is fine on my router too, while the question on the WANLan

到你試果陣, 用pci 卡做wan, onboard 做lan

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-21 23:43

引用:

原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-21 23:37 發表

到你試果陣, 用pci 卡做wan, onboard 做lan

Thank you for your hints

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-22 00:10

Q9450>> Marvell 8056 >> giga >> switch >> giga >>淘寶貨 intel 1000MT @pci 32bit - pc outer >> giga >> modem

firewall 問題...

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-22 00:22

引用:

原帖由 lctang 於 2011-11-22 00:10 發表
Q9450>> Marvell 8056 >> giga >> switch >> giga >>淘寶貨 intel 1000MT @pci 32bit - pc outer >> giga >> modem

firewall 問題...

Any suggested switch

? Preferred Brand?

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-22 00:23

聽晚/後晚換張 pci-e 4X (HP NC360T) 再試

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-22 00:29

用緊呢隻 switch
http://www.planex.com.tw/product/soho/switch/fxg-08ep.htm

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-22 00:42

引用:

原帖由 lctang 於 2011-11-22 00:29 發表
用緊呢隻 switch
http://www.planex.com.tw/product/soho/switch/fxg-08ep.htm

Looks good

http://www.planex.com.tw/product/soho/switch/fxg-05ep.htm
And this should suffice my need, available in SSP?

While I may also run the current WZR as switch to see if that is ok before getting a new one

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-22 00:51

引用:

原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-22 00:42 發表

Looks good
http://www.planex.com.tw/product/soho/switch/fxg-05ep.htm
And this should suffice my need, available in SSP?

While I may also run the current WZR as switch to see if that is ok ...

8port 貴DDDDD

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-22 00:53

pc1, pc2, AV amp, Fon ap, E4200 >> switch >> giga >> PC router
not pc1, pc2, AV amp, Fon ap, >> E4200 or switch >> giga >> PC router

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-22 01:10

引用:

原帖由 lctang 於 2011-11-22 00:53 發表
pc1, pc2, AV amp, Fon ap, E4200 >> switch >> giga >> PC router
not pc1, pc2, AV amp, Fon ap, >> E4200 or switch >> giga >> PC router

So complicated

My case will be
iPad, Brother's computer, Any phone >> :0) Router
:0) Router + Server + My notebook >> Switch >> Proposed PC Router >> BB1000

Giga = Cat6?

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-22 01:23

引用:

原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-22 01:10 發表

So complicated

My case will be
iPad, Brother's computer, Any phone >> :0) Router
:0) Router + Server + My notebook >> Switch >> Proposed PC Router >> BB1000
Giga = Cat6?

最好cat6 短短地5E 都OK既
cat6 好硬

should be

any pc / device (wired) \
+switch >> Proposed PC Router >> BB1000
any wifi >> ap(router) /

dont use ap(router) as switch

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-22 01:26

引用:

原帖由 lctang 於 2011-11-22 01:23 發表

最好cat6 短短地5E 都OK既
cat6 好硬

should be

any pc / device (wired) \
+switch >> Proposed PC Router >> BB1000
any wifi >> ap(router) /

dont use ap(r ...

Using 10M Cat6

Now
Notebook >> 10M Cat6 >> :0) Router >> 10M Cat6 >> Server,
Throughput > 110MB/s

One of them is flat cable, very soft

For dedicated switch, I do prefer getting one where possible.

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-22 08:57

引用:

原帖由 lctang 於 2011-11-22 00:10 發表
Q9450>> Marvell 8056 >> giga >> switch >> giga >>淘寶貨 intel 1000MT @pci 32bit - pc outer >> giga >> modem

firewall 問題...

咩野firewall 搞成咁

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-22 13:33

Suddenly find that G440 can be a choice:
http://hi.baidu.com/tyc6982/blog ... 84cf4b4ec226eb.html

Any idea?
Foxconn H61 =$400
G440 = $319, looks a possible choice over Atom and E-350.
Does router consider Single Threaded performance or Multi Threaded?

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-11-22 13:34 編輯 ]

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2011-11-22 18:59

引用:

原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-22 13:33 發表
Suddenly find that G440 can be a choice:
http://hi.baidu.com/tyc6982/blog ... 84cf4b4ec226eb.html

Any idea?
Foxconn H61 =$400
G440 = $319, looks a possible choice over Atom and E-350.
Does ...

G440 is a different league of performance and power consumption

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-22 19:23

引用:

原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-11-22 18:59 發表

G440 is a different league of performance and power consumption

I understand, and I concern even more in heat dissipation;
Atom needs no active cooling.

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2011-11-22 19:51

引用:

原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-22 19:23 發表

I understand, and I concern even more in heat dissipation;
Atom needs no active cooling.

咁你只可以揀atom / e-xxx

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-22 21:05

引用:

原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-11-22 19:51 發表

咁你只可以揀atom / e-xxx

The problem is Atom's availability is too low and new CPU has yet to hit the market,
E-350 is possible, but a bit too expensive;
on the same level G440 system is more attractive, in which H61+G440 =~$72x.
And what do you think about the below graphs?

G440 doesn't consume much more.

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-11-22 21:10 編輯 ]

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2011-11-22 21:12

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles ... 0-g440_7.html#sect0

引用:

Mainboards:

ASUS Crosshair IV Formula (Socket AM3, AMD 890FX + SB850, DDR3 SDRAM);
ASUS P5Q3 (LGA775, Intel P45 Express, DDR3 SDRAM);
ASUS P8H61-I (LGA1155, Intel H61 Express);
ASUS P8P67 Deluxe (LGA1155, Intel P67 Express);
Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (Intel Atom D525, Intel NM10 Express);
Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 (AMD E-350, AMD Hudson M1).

from previous article:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles ... 2100t_11.html#sect0

引用:

However, the graph above is not entirely straight-forward. The thing is that we used Gigabyte E350N-USB3 mainboard to measure the performance of Brazos platform in our today’s test session. And this mainboard wasn’t designed with power-efficiency in mind, and its power consumption is significantly higher than it could have been, had the developers really paid special attention to this aspect. One of the good examples could be the recently reviewed MSI E350IS-E45 mainboard, which power consumption in idle mode was only 7.3 W.

What a shame x-bit labs

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-22 21:31

引用:

原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-11-22 21:12 發表
 http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles ... 0-g440_7.html#sect0

from previous article:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles ... 2100t_11.html#sect0

What a shame x-bit labs ...

Despite the fact E-350 does have the best energy control,
G440 isn't stills looks comparable.

7W vs 15W Idle.
(23-7)?W vs 21W Full Load

Idle consumption actually doesn't really need to be concerned, as the router will not stay claim for in most of the time as of a Desktop; there will always be loading.
Taking performance also in the consideration, do you think G440 worths a try?

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-11-22 21:33 編輯 ]

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2011-11-22 21:32

引用:

原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-22 21:31 發表

Despite the fact E-350 does have the best energy control,
G440 isn't stills looks comparable.

7W vs 15W Idle.
(23-7)?W vs 21W Full Load

Taking performance also in the consideration, do you think G ...

you won't need to extra performance in pc router

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-22 21:46

引用:

原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-11-22 21:32 發表

you won't need to extra performance in pc router

Yes, that's why I considered D525 as the best solution available for it being $5xx.......sadly I can only find a D525 from J&W which is a Micro-ATX;
I target Mini-ITX.
And D2700 was announced in Sep, it looks I should wait for a little time to see if new boards can be an option.
Hard to understand why till now I can't see any new Atom board.......

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2011-11-22 21:48

引用:

原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-22 21:46 發表

Yes, that's why I considered D525 as the best solution available for it being $5xx.......sadly I can only find a D525 from J&W which is a Micro-ATX;
I target Mini-ITX.
And D2700 was announced in Sep, ...

because...

d2700 is not compelling...

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-22 21:54

引用:

原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-11-22 21:48 發表

because...

d2700 is not compelling...

Sigh, damn it, another available D525 board from Intel has only a PCI slot, how stupid.
E-350 will take me $200, which set my targeted budget of $1300 quite impossible.

Currently I ordered an Intel Pro1000 CT in US for $240, may the RAM cost $160, Case+PSU can be obtained for another $300, I have harddisk or I may use spare USB flash drive, $100 is reserved for an USB WiFi adapter, all mentioned totaled $800.
I still have around $500 for the CPU+Board.
Maybe I have to search also in 2nd hand market for one.

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-22 22:06

E-350

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-22 22:18

引用:

原帖由 lctang 於 2011-11-22 22:06 發表
E-350

Sorry but don't want to risk the MB+CPU on Taobao,
btw, as my card will not arrive till Mid-Dec, so I will be waiting for some time.

Currently will try to use a switch to get 2 ip from HKBN first, if that succeeds, actually I don't really need a router

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-22 22:20

How the hell come?

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=13307871155

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2011-11-22 22:25

引用:

原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-22 22:20 發表
How the hell come?
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=13307871155

點絕殺法

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-22 22:29

怕Taobao咪自己上去賽格搵
我同bluesky 塊E350 750人仔

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-22 22:31

Taobao 你件野唔得可以唔比$ 住 ( 確定收貨)

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-22 22:34

引用:

原帖由 lctang 於 2011-11-22 22:29 發表
怕Taobao咪自己上去賽格搵
我同bluesky 塊E350 750人仔

Thank you for your suggestion, while
750人仔 completely out of budget

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-22 22:40

依家應該仲平

作者: YCST 時間: 2011-11-22 23:03

引用:

原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-21 23:13 發表
如果你手上有料, 就試左先la...
x86 絕對快過 router cpu 比如話:AR9132,BCM4705

當然你用咩os, 點set 都好有關系

我諗PC係快好多
我用E5300 route BB100
download谷到平均94Mbps，CPU仍然係idle

作者: lctang 時間: 2011-11-22 23:35

E350 都係幾個 %

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-22 23:43

引用:

原帖由 YCST 於 2011-11-22 23:03 發表

我諗PC係快好多
我用E5300 route BB100
download谷到平均94Mbps，CPU仍然係idle

佢唔信之嘛

x86 好抽得嫁

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-23 09:05

引用:

原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-22 23:43 發表

佢唔信之嘛
x86 好抽得嫁

I am always skeptical towards everything I am going to spend on;
I am not that rich such that I must take great care on every purchase.

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-23 09:24

最衰系我依家無玩1Gbps..
同埋都無friend 有la,

無得試比你睇xD

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-23 09:27

引用:

原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-23 09:24 發表
最衰系我依家無玩1Gbps..
同埋都無friend 有la,

無得試比你睇xD

Thank you for your effort in all those explanation, it has been very valuable and details references

And if 94Mbps throughput takes only a few % of CPU utilization, it looks I don't need to worry for a ten times loading.

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-23 23:04

Shit, I can get >1 ip from HKBN BB1000 modem

X86 router postponed

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-24 00:06

引用:

原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-23 23:04 發表
Shit, I can get >1 ip from HKBN BB1000 modem
X86 router postponed

好似有得最多拎兩個ip..

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-24 00:10

引用:

原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-24 00:06 發表

好似有得最多拎兩個ip..

Trying to see if that is the case,
currently trying 3 connections,
Server, Notebook and router.
It looks the router cannot get the IP address, I have to check if that is a router's issue or IP No. limit.

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-24 00:56

Sadly the router cannot obtain any ip..........
And passing through the switch the maximum throughput drops to 600Mbits,
without the AP switch it can reach 900Mbits.

So router will still be constructed, soon or later.

作者: jackli 時間: 2011-11-24 06:32

引用:

原帖由 ccw 於 2011-11-24 00:56 發表
Sadly the router cannot obtain any ip..........
And passing through the switch the maximum throughput drops to 600Mbits,
without the AP switch it can reach 900Mbits.

So router will still be construct ...

真系最多得兩個咁準?

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-24 09:03

引用:

原帖由 jackli 於 2011-11-24 06:32 發表

真系最多得兩個咁準?

Not confirmed but there maybe issue,
the computer must to turned on before turning on the switch;
if the computer is turned on after turning on the switch,
it may not be able to get the IP.

作者: ccw 時間: 2011-11-24 14:51 標題: The reason why new Atom are still in the dark........

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/210/210183.htm

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