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作者: ccw    時間: 2011-12-27 22:36     標題: Intel 32nm Atom平板配置、性能、续航首曝

根据新加坡VR-Zone从Intel内部得到的消息,Intel此前对移动业务进行了整合,新部门由Mike Bell和Hermann Eul领导。在合并后不久的一次会议上,Intel透露了采用32nm Medfield Atom处理器平板电脑的部分性能参数。

距离32nm Medfield正式发布即CES展会只有几周的时间,Medfield将直接与苹果A系列,NVIDIA Tegra,高通Snapdragon,三星Exynos和TI OMAP系列竞争。对手中目前只有三星Exynos的部分型号已经采用32nm制程工艺生产。



Intel最早在IDF展示的“公版”设计平板电脑采用单核心Medfield处理器,运行频率1.6GHz,内存采用1GB LPDDR2。WiFi/蓝牙/FM调频芯片厂商未知,屏幕为10.1英寸,分辨率1280*800,拥有一个eMMC/microSD卡槽。

目前透露的测试成绩均基于Android 3.x Honeycomb操作系统,正式出货产品将升级至Android 4.x Ice Cream Sandwich。

在Caffeinemark 3.0通过运行Java程序测算系统速度的Benchmark中,1.6GHz单核心Medfield取得了10500分左右的成绩。作为对比NVIDIA Tegra 2的分数在7500分左右,高通Snapdragon MSM8260为8000分左右,最高的是三星的Exynos 4210,分数为8500左右。目前暂时还不清楚Tegra 3的测试成绩。

从分数看来,起码在性能方面x86核心依然无可匹敌,不过续航又如何呢?

目前工程试作样机的正常使用功耗约为2.6W,Flash视频回放1280*720级别功耗约为3.6W,离Intel的目标2W以下/2.6W还有一段距离。至于正式发售时能否达到Intel自己设定的目标,答案还是留给时间吧。

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/213/213245.htm

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-12-27 22:37 編輯 ]
作者: qcmadness    時間: 2011-12-27 22:40

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-12-27 22:36 發表
根据新加坡VR-Zone从Intel内部得到的消息,Intel此前对移动业务进行了整合,新部门由Mike Bell和Hermann Eul领导。在合并后不久的一次会议上,Intel透露了采用32nm Medfield Atom处理器平板电脑的部分性能参数。

距离32nm ...
3.6W太高了
作者: Henry    時間: 2011-12-28 00:21

等待22nm成品.
作者: jackli    時間: 2011-12-28 09:16

intel 終於有chip 比android 用
作者: cheungmanhoi    時間: 2011-12-28 09:40

3.6………………
你用埋我果份 又唔系勁好多
作者: ccw    時間: 2011-12-28 11:33

Just the beginning.
作者: qcmadness    時間: 2011-12-28 18:36

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-12-28 11:33 發表 [url=http://discuz.servehttp.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=787376&ptid=47691][/
Just the beginning.
In fact this is a disappointment
作者: Henry    時間: 2011-12-28 18:50

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-12-28 18:36 發表

In fact this is a disappointment
W/performance which one is better?
作者: qcmadness    時間: 2011-12-28 19:26

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原帖由 Henry 於 2011-12-28 18:50 發表 [url=http://discuz.servehttp.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=787843&ptid=47691][/url

W/performance which one is better?
3.6w@tablet ~ 65w@notebook
does performance matter?
作者: Henry    時間: 2011-12-28 20:16

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-12-28 19:26 發表

3.6w@tablet ~ 65w@notebook
does performance matter?
I mean compared to the ARM counterparts.
作者: qcmadness    時間: 2011-12-28 20:16

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原帖由 Henry 於 2011-12-28 20:16 發表

I mean compared to the ARM counterparts.
if you can only use it for 2-3 hours,
it does not matter whether it has i7 performance
作者: Henry    時間: 2011-12-28 20:30

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-12-28 20:16 發表

if you can only use it for 2-3 hours,
it does not matter whether it has i7 performance
I don't bother if it matches i7's performance, just curious why did you say disappointed.
If W/perf is similar to ARM, just clock the freq down will do.

Moreover, we are now waiting the predecessor of Cedar Trail, which suppose to have a better W/perf and better battery performance.
作者: Henry    時間: 2011-12-28 20:31

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-12-28 20:16 發表

if you can only use it for 2-3 hours,
it does not matter whether it has i7 performance
I don't bother if it matches i7's performance, just curious why did you say disappointed.
If W/perf is similar to ARM, just clock the freq down will do.

Moreover, we are now waiting the predecessor of Medfield, which suppose to have a better W/perf and better battery performance.
作者: qcmadness    時間: 2011-12-28 20:32

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原帖由 Henry 於 2011-12-28 20:31 發表

I don't bother if it matches i7's performance, just curious why did you say disappointed.
If W/perf is similar to ARM, just clock the freq down will do.

Moreover, we are now waiting the predecessor  ...
Totally bullshit
Clock i7 to 200MHz, can it match ARM with power consumption?

I have told you many times, if you can scale it to that low, why would Intel / AMD bother making Bonnell / Bobcat?
作者: Henry    時間: 2011-12-28 20:48

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-12-28 20:32 發表


Totally bullshit
Clock i7 to 200MHz, can it match ARM with power consumption?

I have told you many times, if you can scale it to that low, why would Intel / AMD bother making Bonnell / Bobcat?
Is Medfield a i7?
Does Medfield need to lower its power consumption to its 1/5 to 1/10?
作者: qcmadness    時間: 2011-12-28 20:49

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原帖由 Henry 於 2011-12-28 20:48 發表

Is Medfield a i7?
decrease 50% freq > decrease 20% power consumption
作者: Henry    時間: 2011-12-28 20:58

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-12-28 20:49 發表

decrease 50% freq > decrease 20% power consumption
Do those I/O take up so much power?
作者: qcmadness    時間: 2011-12-28 20:59

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原帖由 Henry 於 2011-12-28 20:58 發表

Do those I/O take up so much power?
you don't know this?
作者: Henry    時間: 2011-12-28 21:00

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-12-28 20:59 發表

you don't know this?
I know they take up power, but actual amount........
作者: ccw    時間: 2011-12-28 22:53

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-12-28 19:26 發表

3.6w@tablet ~ 65w@notebook
does performance matter?
3.6W for the whole tablet actually allows it to run for 7 hours considering the same battery as iPad2, while no idea if this 3.6W is just the CPU's consumption.
作者: qcmadness    時間: 2011-12-28 22:56

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-12-28 22:53 發表

3.6W for the whole tablet actually allows it to run for 7 hours considering the same battery as iPad2, while no idea if this 3.6W is just the CPU's consumption.
For Galaxy 8.9", 3.6W = < 2hr
作者: ccw    時間: 2011-12-28 22:58

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-12-28 22:56 發表

For Galaxy 8.9", 3.6W = < 2hr
I understand, I don't know why but iPad 2's battery is ridiculously large in volume.
Anyway, if there is 1 tablet in the market utilizing such battery, Intel can just do the same so this won't be a problem.
For its target, 2.6W, the serving time will hopefully be not bad.
作者: qcmadness    時間: 2011-12-28 23:00

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-12-28 22:58 發表

I understand, I don't know why but iPad 2's battery is ridiculously large in volume.
Anyway, if there is 1 tablet in the market utilizing such battery, Intel can just do the same so this won't be a p ...
~10W-h is more plausible with low price...

<2.5W load power is not bad, suggesting Intel's target is good, but they cannot achieve it.
作者: ccw    時間: 2011-12-29 01:04

Actually what I worry the most is its multimedia ability.......Intel...

[ 本帖最後由 ccw 於 2011-12-29 01:32 編輯 ]
作者: dom    時間: 2011-12-29 01:30

引用:
原帖由 ccw 於 2011/12/27 22:36 發表
根据新加坡VR-Zone从Intel内部得到的消息,Intel此前对移动业务进行了整合,新部门由Mike Bell和Hermann Eul领导。在合并后不久的一次会议上,Intel透露了采用32nm Medfield Atom处理器平板电脑的部分性能参数。

距离32nm ...
3.6W TDP , 食電 又 熱
玩得3個鐘既 Atom Tablet , 收工吧啦
作者: dom    時間: 2011-12-29 01:33

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011/12/29 01:04 發表
Actually what I worry the most is its multimedia side ability.......Intel...
Good Luck with GMA ,
It's better with HD2K/HD3K now but I don't see Intel will put that in "Atom"
作者: dom    時間: 2011-12-29 01:35

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011/12/27 22:36 發表
根据新加坡VR-Zone从Intel内部得到的消息,Intel此前对移动业务进行了整合,新部门由Mike Bell和Hermann Eul领导。在合并后不久的一次会议上,Intel透露了采用32nm Medfield Atom处理器平板电脑的部分性能参数。

距离32nm ...
效能 高 , 問題係 Intel 收幾錢先
Atom 佢賣幾年都係賣個價 , 比 AMD Bobcat 一野KO 左, APU (Bobcat) 至少有 Integrated HD Graphic (HD6310) 個價重係差唔多
Intel 有d 乜?
作者: dom    時間: 2011-12-29 01:36

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原帖由 Henry 於 2011/12/28 21:00 發表

I know they take up power, but actual amount........
Don't forget if 3.6W for CPU only
It's NOT GOOD enough for Tablet

Unless it's Atom SoC with integrated Graphic and WiFi solution

For Performance / Watt (Long battery life)
ARM is doing much better than x86

The compare is kinda funny
單核心Medfield (Single Core x86) Vs Multicore ARM offering
Can it 'Multi-task" ?

[ 本帖最後由 dom 於 2011-12-29 01:37 編輯 ]
作者: qcmadness    時間: 2011-12-29 07:31

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原帖由 ccw 於 2011-12-29 01:04 發表
Actually what I worry the most is its multimedia ability.......Intel...
Power consumption is more severe

Another point is Intel do not want to start a price war
作者: Henry    時間: 2011-12-29 11:20

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原帖由 dom 於 2011-12-29 01:30 發表


3.6W TDP , 食電 又 熱
玩得3個鐘既 Atom Tablet , 收工吧啦
Where is AMD?
作者: qcmadness    時間: 2011-12-29 12:57

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原帖由 Henry 於 2011-12-29 11:20 發表

Where is AMD?
Better than AMD = Better than competition ?

If Intel think like this, they will never win
作者: ccw    時間: 2011-12-29 15:26

Once again a larger battery
http://news.mydrivers.com/1/213/213463.htm
作者: jackli    時間: 2011-12-29 16:26

0.36W 就差唔多 :o)
dom
作者: bebird    時間: 2011-12-29 16:31

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原帖由 jackli 於 29/12/2011 16:26 發表
0.36W 就差唔多 :o)
dom
possible? given that provide enough processing power
作者: jackli    時間: 2011-12-29 19:04

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原帖由 bebird 於 2011-12-29 16:31 發表

possible? given that provide enough processing power
以前 D P4 行 FLASH 夠 36W la
作者: fish!    時間: 2011-12-29 21:17

一個字: 西
搞一大餐又係一檸樣
作者: qcmadness    時間: 2011-12-29 22:24

http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+M ... er/article23611.htm
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Medfield: Battery-Guzzler Edition

Now the bad news: the power budget is quite high.  The platform reportedly has a 2.6W TDP at idle and a maximum power consumption of 3.6W when playing 720P Flash video.  By launch the maximum power is intended to drop to 2.6W, while the idle is also likely to drop a fair bit.

Still, these numbers are pretty horrible if Intel hopes to squeeze Medfield on a smartphone.  Some quick "napkin math":

    An average smartphone battery is around 1600 mAh
    The output voltage is typically 3.7 V
    The total battery power is thus 5.92 Wh
    Thus the platform would last a bit over two hours at idle in a smartphone before dying

In other words there's no way Intel can hope to launch this chip in a smartphone.

It's disappointing to see Intel is still trailing so badly in power.  For example, a loaded Tegra 2 reportedly draws around 1 W, meaning that it could sip the aforementioned battery for around 6 hours before kicking the bucket.  Intel's chip is fast, but it appears to be a "battery-guzzler".

More troubling is the fact that these results come from a 32 nm part, where as NVIDIA and Qualcomm have 40 nm parts (Samsung is also at the 32 nm node).  In other words, that process advantage Intel is always talking about appears to be nonexistent here.

Intel's best hope power-wise is its 3D FinFET technology, which wil be introduced to Medfield sometime in the 2013-2014 window.  That will likely be the true test of Intel's fading hopes in the mobile space.  If Intel's 22 nm finFET transistor chip can't meet or beat ARM in power budget, it's game over.
Still want to argue in power consumption front?
作者: ccw    時間: 2011-12-29 22:24

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011-12-29 22:24 發表
http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+M ... er/article23611.htm



Still want to argue in power consumption front?
I just know playing a HD movie will doom Intel.
作者: dom    時間: 2011-12-30 02:48

引用:
原帖由 qcmadness 於 2011/12/29 22:24 發表
http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+M ... er/article23611.htm



Still want to argue in power consumption front?
That's why AMD is not "fighting" it yet
They are NOT Ready
作者: dom    時間: 2011-12-30 03:08

Sadly Intel sold Xscale
作者: Henry    時間: 2011-12-30 23:36

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原帖由 dom 於 2011-12-30 03:08 發表
Sadly Intel sold Xscale
Sold to Marvell and now Marvell
作者: dom    時間: 2011-12-31 02:47

Who said AMD don't have anything for Tablet ?
http://www.techpowerup.com/15772 ... by-AMD-Z01-APU.html


作者: qcmadness    時間: 2011-12-31 07:09

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原帖由 dom 於 2011-12-31 02:47 發表
Who said AMD don't have anything for Tablet ?
http://www.techpowerup.com/15772 ... -AMD-Z01- APU.html

5.9W
作者: qcmadness    時間: 2011-12-31 07:26

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原帖由 Henry 於 2011-12-30 23:36 發表

Sold to Marvell and now Marvell
in fact this is a good move
just Intel and AMD invest too little in low-power computing




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