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作者: fo2live 時間: 2013-10-9 22:04 標題: KAVERI 幾時先有消息

都Q4了

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-10-9 22:12

soon. 六個月內 :0)
你可以望 Nov 11-13 APU13 多 d 資訊甚至 paper launch 既

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作者: fo2live 時間: 2013-10-9 22:22

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013-10-9 22:12 發表
soon. 六個月內 :0)
你可以望 Nov 11-13 APU13 多 d 資訊甚至 paper launch 既

仲要等咁耐

thank you

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-10-10 01:15

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原帖由 fo2live 於 2013-10-9 22:22 發表

仲要等咁耐

thank you

最近 update 係 Q4 Desktop, Q1 Notebook

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-10-18 21:55

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We remain on track to begin shipping our next generation Kaveri APU for the channel this quarter. And key motherboard partners are already offering new product in anticipation of this launch.

作者: dom 時間: 2013-10-18 22:33

唔係話 2月先launch 咩

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-10-18 22:51

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-10-18 22:33 發表
唔係話 2月先launch 咩

notebook 掛。PIB 應該 12 月會賣緊街啦掛... 如果已經 ship 緊。

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作者: Puff 時間: 2013-10-28 08:30

http://www.computerbase.de/news/ ... -dezember-erwartet/
Paper launch Dec 13. So they really plan to ship in this quarter only.

Good news is they revamped SR a bit, and KV got trueaudio.

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作者: dom 時間: 2013-10-28 08:35

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013/10/28 08:30 發表
http://www.computerbase.de/news/2013-10/amds-kaveri-vorstellung-am-5.-dezember-erwartet/
Paper launch Dec 13
Good news is they revamped SR a bit, and KV got truraudio.

Feb 2014 launch, mobile first, Apr launch PIB desktop (prioirity to mobile market, Desktop market is lagging in growth , AMD dont care , they want more profit $$$

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-10-28 08:39

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-10-28 08:35 發表

Feb 2014 launch, mobile first, Apr launch PIB desktop (prioirity to mobile market, Desktop market is lagging in growth , AMD dont care , they want more profit $$$

Hope that we would see 20nm XV before 2H15 arrives.

But I am pretty sure that they would refresh Kaveri once before anything following. Probably in case GF sucks again.

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作者: dom 時間: 2013-10-29 10:43

http://www.expreview.com/29101.html
快左少少咁多多

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2013-10-29 23:47

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-10-29 10:43 發表
 http://www.expreview.com/29101.html
快左少少咁多多

真係先算啦

p.s. 如果係真, i3 / i5有難

作者: cheungmanhoi 時間: 2013-10-30 10:06

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2013-10-29 23:47 發表

真係先算啦

p.s. 如果係真, i3 / i5有難

如果佢唔2個platform 合一無咩興趣

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2013-10-30 10:14

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原帖由 cheungmanhoi 於 2013-10-30 10:06 發表

如果佢唔2個platform 合一無咩興趣

SteamRoller得FM2+

作者: cheungmanhoi 時間: 2013-10-30 10:15

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2013-10-30 10:14 發表

SteamRoller得FM2+

咁 pure cpu果d fx都係落fm2+?

定係唔會有 fx

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2013-10-30 10:16

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原帖由 cheungmanhoi 於 2013-10-30 10:15 發表

咁 pure cpu果d fx都係落fm2+?
定係唔會有 fx

no FX

because I suspect AMD will go 20nm in 2015

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-10-30 10:44

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2013-10-30 10:16 發表
because I suspect AMD will go 20nm in 2015

Delay several quarters and jump to finfets! </holy crap>

I am a bit skeptical if there is FX successor on 20nm. I suspect still a no, unless Excavator is really evaluated to be competitive with Haswell Xeon counterparts, and can be released in early 15. Otherwise 16 for any non-APU is a safer assumption, as we will arrive the interchange station at that time for a better train.

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作者: dom 時間: 2013-10-30 18:05

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原帖由 cheungmanhoi 於 2013/10/30 10:15 發表

咁 pure cpu果d fx都係落fm2+?
定係唔會有 fx

No FX, AMD is giving up FX + AM3+

作者: dom 時間: 2013-10-30 18:06

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013/10/30 10:44 發表

Delay several quarters and jump to finfets!

I am a bit skeptical if there is FX successor on 20nm. I suspect still a no, unless Excavator is really evaluated to be competitive with Haswell Xeon cou ...

By that time AMD RIP already

作者: cheungmanhoi 時間: 2013-11-1 16:41

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-10-30 18:05 發表

No FX, AMD is giving up FX + AM3+

THAT MEANS NO MORE FX?
ONLY APU?

AMD

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-11-1 20:06

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原帖由 cheungmanhoi 於 2013-11-1 16:41 發表

THAT MEANS NO MORE FX?
ONLY APU?

AMD

In short term, yes & they are pushing APU/GongGongAthlon+dGPU solutions.

In long term, no one knows.

作者: cheungmanhoi 時間: 2013-11-4 10:34

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013-11-1 20:06 發表

In short term, yes & they are pushing APU/GongGongAthlon+dGPU solutions.

In long term, no one knows.

a10 5800k
有無 i5 lv cpu(mobile)

作者: dom 時間: 2013-11-4 11:53

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013/11/1 20:06 發表

In short term, yes & they are pushing APU/GongGongAthlon+dGPU solutions.

In long term, no one knows.

Their APU solution only competitive with GPU performance , but INTEL already catching up and
the rubbish GF production issue (poor yield rate) is killing AMD

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-11-5 22:59

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原帖由 cheungmanhoi 於 2013-11-4 10:34 發表

a10 5800k
有無 i5 lv cpu(mobile)

u mean quad-core or dual-core?

作者: dom 時間: 2013-11-6 01:53

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013/11/5 22:59 發表

u mean quad-core or dual-core?

更係Quad Core 啦

作者: cheungmanhoi 時間: 2013-11-6 10:49

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013-11-5 22:59 發表

u mean quad-core or dual-core?

勁唔勁得過
有無 i5 desktop版咁勁?
or 35w mobile咁勁

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-11-6 15:14

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原帖由 cheungmanhoi 於 2013-11-6 10:49 發表

勁唔勁得過
有無 i5 desktop版咁勁?
or 35w mobile咁勁

average multi core performance
A10-5800K ~= i3-2100 < i3-3220 <<< i5 << i7

single thread performance
think it yourself

mainstream 2C4T i5 = lower clock i3 in desktop
ultra-expensive 4C8T i7 = lower clock i7 in desktop

for kaveri or any kinds of AMD products in the short term, lowering your expectation is always better. let it surprise you rather than disappoint you. I would say +30% is kind of unrealistic NOT because I am an AMD hater, but 4M4C result shows you that twice the decoders don't benefit significantly at all (but overprovision is needed as this is the price of IPC). Although I didn't account of any other potential architectural changes here, I'm pretty sure that 10% is a safe bottom line. 15% will be appreciated. above 20% will be a surprise.

rumour has it that SteamrollerB has made some changes to make it more "competitive". at design level it seems to be a derivative of a completed rev A (linkedin info). but even we know this (I guess it is probably changes aligned to crappy GF's process change), it doesn't help much as the problem is in the fundamental of this family of architecture, and from fixing it in the HLD level to the final product shipping takes you nearly a half decade.

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作者: Puff 時間: 2013-11-6 15:15

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-11-6 01:53 發表

更係Quad Core 啦

依家先知 i5 mobile 無 QC

作者: cheungmanhoi 時間: 2013-11-6 16:59

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013-11-6 15:15 發表

依家先知 i5 mobile 無 QC

即係咁.....
我用緊粒i5 3210m
35w cpu 2c4t

amd粒58k 用50w(我當gpu 用左50w)
都追唔上

我用粒3210 stack相做d heavy load都覺得慢(當然....i7都唔係快超多

)

但fx u 用sb950真係sb lor

[ 本帖最後由 cheungmanhoi 於 2013-11-6 17:01 編輯 ]

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-11-6 17:09

CineBench R15, 1 (for 1C)/2 (for 2C) rendering thread, same bucket of background applications
@ 3.67 Ghz
2M2C: ~153 cb
1M2C: ~131 cb
1M1C: ~76 cb (scaled down from 78 cb @ 3.71-3.84 Ghz)

yield ~70% over 1M1C when having only one more integer core
yield ~16% over 1M2C when having more decoder and FPU resources & L2 caches
yield 100% when everything is doubled

side note:
Thuban K10 1C @ 3.67 Ghz: est. 97
Haswell 1C: 141?

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作者: cheungmanhoi 時間: 2013-11-6 17:27

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013-11-6 17:09 發表
CineBench R15, 1 (for 1C)/2 (for 2C) rendering thread, same bucket of background applications
@ 3.67 Ghz
2M2C: ~153 cb
1M2C: ~131 cb
1M1C: ~76 cb (scaled down from 78 cb @ 3.71-3.84 Ghz)

yield ~70% o ...

睇完

都係唔明

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-11-6 17:30

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原帖由 cheungmanhoi 於 2013-11-6 17:27 發表

睇完都係唔明

簡單 d 講可以睇淡依家又傳得好旺 gea 30% IPC boost 啦，然後同 intel 比差一截
要 1M2C 係 cinebench 先打到人地一粒 core... 無 SMT。

擺到明就係 design flaw

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作者: cheungmanhoi 時間: 2013-11-6 17:41

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013-11-6 17:30 發表

簡單 d 講可以睇淡依家又傳得好旺 gea 30% IPC boost 啦，然後同 intel 比差一截
要 1M2C 係 cinebench 先打到人地一粒 core... 無 SMT。

擺到明就係 design flaw
...

原地踏步

你叫d x6 1100t 用家情何以堪

45nm 去到28nm 咩進步都無咁

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-11-12 09:30

AMD claims Kaveri achieved 31 fps in BF4 at 1080p w/o Mantle, while GT 630 coupled to an Intel 4770K sucks.
4 SR cores, 8 CUs, TrueAudio confirmed, nothing really special at all
Desktop first, mobile next. The prototype machine seems nice anyway.

Just recycled stuff like C++ AMP and Java HSA enablement, and well, finally a real-time demo (this time N-body problem) running on Kaveri 35W chip, illustrating the speed-up of GPU acceleration versus single- and multi-core. Also the vaporware Media SDK is (eventually?) announced for release.

Last but not least, no roadmaps. Maybe we will see those things in the closing keynote.

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作者: dom 時間: 2013-11-12 10:38

http://www.amd.com/us/press-rele ... ces-2013nov011.aspx
咦, 塞埋個 TrueAudio 入去咁好玩

作者: dom 時間: 2013-11-12 10:43

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013/11/6 15:14 發表

average multi core performance
A10-5800K ~= i3-2100 < i3-3220

That's why Faildozer is EPIC FAIL

作者: dom 時間: 2013-11-12 10:44

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013/11/6 15:15 發表

依家先知 i5 mobile 無 QC

Mobile i5 = Desktop Core i3 Low Watt/ULV

作者: dom 時間: 2013-11-12 10:45

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013/11/6 17:09 發表
CineBench R15, 1 (for 1C)/2 (for 2C) rendering thread, same bucket of background applications
@ 3.67 Ghz
2M2C: ~153 cb
1M2C: ~131 cb
1M1C: ~76 cb (scaled down from 78 cb @ 3.71-3.84 Ghz)

yield ~70% o ...

Haswell 1C VS 2M2C .....SR so suck ..

作者: dom 時間: 2013-11-12 10:47

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013/11/12 09:30 發表
AMD claims Kaveri achieved 31 fps in BF4 at 1080p w/o Mantle, while GT 630 coupled to an Intel 4770K sucks.
4 SR cores, 8 CUs, TrueAudio confirmed, nothing really special at all
Desktop first, mobile ...

Why not chase on Mobile first .......stupid AMD .....Desktop market no longer have large growth and DIY is dying breed......
Looks like AMD is signing their own dead warrant ...

作者: dom 時間: 2013-11-12 10:50

之前 rumor 傳情人節launch , 提早左一個月

作者: cheungmanhoi 時間: 2013-11-12 11:38

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-11-12 10:47 發表

Why not chase on Mobile first .......stupid AMD .....Desktop market no longer have large growth and DIY is dying breed......
Looks like AMD is signing their own dead warrant ...

可能係 tune 個w數果度慢左
mobile 對watt 用電熱量性能比desktop 敏感好多...

作者: dom 時間: 2013-11-12 11:39

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原帖由 cheungmanhoi 於 2013/11/12 11:38 發表

可能係 tune 個w數果度慢左
mobile 對watt 用電熱量性能比desktop 敏感好多...

咁 AMD 真係可以等死

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-11-12 15:07

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-11-12 10:47 發表

Why not chase on Mobile first .......stupid AMD .....Desktop market no longer have large growth and DIY is dying breed......
Looks like AMD is signing their own dead warrant ...

Because you can launch PIBs whenever you want, while mobile release is bounded to OEM schedules. They are releasing machines for the Easter timeframe.

It is reasonable, though it sucks. Many thanks to GIrlFriend.

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作者: Puff 時間: 2013-11-12 15:11

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-11-12 10:45 發表

Haswell 1C VS 2M2C .....SR so suck ..

This is piledriver. But anyway, it doesn't change so much I guess.

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-11-12 15:13

OT: Does anybody have a clue of what speed the DDR4 majority will be at its launch?
2133? 2400? 2667?

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2013-11-12 17:39

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013-11-12 15:13 發表
OT: Does anybody have a clue of what speed the DDR4 majority will be at its launch?
2133? 2400? 2667?

expect 2133

作者: cheungmanhoi 時間: 2013-11-12 17:40

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013-11-12 15:11 發表

This is piledriver. But anyway, it doesn't change so much I guess.

kaveri is pd not sr?

still have chance

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-11-12 18:16

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原帖由 cheungmanhoi 於 2013-11-12 17:40 發表

kaveri is pd not sr?

still have chance

The result was benchmarked on Trinity. KV has Steamroller cores.

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-11-12 19:52

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2013-11-12 17:39 發表

expect 2133

I wonder if anyone will launch 3200 at launch.

btw, max 31 fps on A10-5800K, so I guess AMD is focusing on power perf (e.g. lower TDP for top bin) and HSA for Kaveri, as the memory BW is definitely an obstacle of further performance growth.

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作者: dom 時間: 2013-11-12 20:08

好玩囉，　有HEVC *(Support H.265 Hardware Decoding ?)
死人 AMD , 唔踢佢鏟佢金金地都唔郁

http://new.livestream.com/toms-live/amdapu13-1

作者: dom 時間: 2013-11-12 20:09

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013/11/12 15:07 發表

Because you can launch PIBs whenever you want, while mobile release is bounded to OEM schedules. They are releasing machines for the Easter timeframe.

It is reasonable, though it sucks. Many thanks ...

I think they realize OEM don't take much of their product, Server is not selling well,
so they have to go back to fight in dimishing Desktop market first ( Market Share dropping )

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-11-12 20:25

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-11-12 20:09 發表

I think they realize OEM don't take much of their product, Server is not selling well,
so they have to go back to fight in dimishing Desktop market first ( Market Share dropping )

Generally speaking, you would launch you mobile series before desktop series ONLY IF you can't manage to have enough inventory for both.
OEMs are always aligned to big events or specific seasonal time frames, like CES, Computex, Easter, BTS and Xmas. PIBs for desktop have no such limitation. But anyway, AMD's slippery roadmap since Llano may cause some impact on their design wins, and given that the low adoption rate of AMD APUs, your statement could be true either.

They definitely need sustainable execution on this product line if they really want to regain the land. For instance, accelerate their 20nm product as early as they can. Q3 is a SUPPPPER breakthrough in AMD's history of the 10s, Q4 is excellent, Q1 is nice, Q2 is dangerous, and Q3 sucks.

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作者: dom 時間: 2013-11-13 09:15

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013/11/12 20:25 發表

Generally speaking, you would launch you mobile series before desktop series ONLY IF you can't manage to have enough inventory for both.
OEMs are always aligned to big events or specific seasonal tim ...

I am not sure the console will become as popular as before , as people spend more time and money paying for handheld (new smartphone) and phone games too (PAD...TheTower of Copy, for overseas consumer some pay for similar stuff...)

Free-To-Play (and purchase itesm to "draw" ) style gaming development have lower overhead cost + development time than traditional console / PC game development, good thing is AMD is pushing "PC Gaming First + support Console as well" as they get 100% Next Gen Console GPU market

That's AMD only ACE they have now , GPU ...

The MAJOR Issue why OEM/ODM don't use APU (Let alone Faildozer FX , lol )after Llano
because Intel 's offering is catching up, and the overall PC Market is not performing (demand drop overall) + garbage Windows 8 (Thanks to M$ ruin the day!) , and AMD / GF inability to provide consistance supply ( Even TSMC may perform better, AMD still have to compete with other companies that also use TSMC Production quota )

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作者: cheungmanhoi 時間: 2013-11-13 10:50

amd.....

睇來佢真係無plan b
真係見步行步咁

好彩d engine人爆到個勁idea就有得番身者
唔好彩就

作者: dom 時間: 2013-11-13 15:30

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原帖由 cheungmanhoi 於 2013/11/13 10:50 發表
amd.....

睇來佢真係無plan b
真係見步行步咁
好彩d engine人爆到個勁idea就有得番身者
唔好彩就

AMD 2015 都無新野既話真係印證 AMD 2015 RIP .....

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-11-13 21:49

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原帖由 cheungmanhoi 於 2013-11-13 10:50 發表
amd.....

睇來佢真係無plan b
真係見步行步咁
好彩d engine人爆到個勁idea就有得番身者
唔好彩就

There is no plan B in the semiconductor world, esp for such small scaled company. If they opt on Bulldozer at the beginning of the multi-year architecture planning (3-4 yrs to design a first gen product, and make evolution on that for the next N yrs of product to save cost), they will stick with it till the end of the roadmap. Now for anything wrong with Bulldozer, given that you have simulations & real chips in 2010 and also several delays and internal issues during 10-13, add 5-6 years and you will have a clue of when you will see something brand new (if they still finance it, and I guess yes as they want to reclaim land in the server world).

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作者: qcmadness 時間: 2013-11-13 21:53

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原帖由 cheungmanhoi 於 2013-11-13 10:50 發表
amd.....

睇來佢真係無plan b
真係見步行步咁
好彩d engine人爆到個勁idea就有得番身者
唔好彩就

Even Intel does not have a plan B

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-11-13 21:57

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-11-13 15:30 發表

AMD 2015 都無新野既話真係印證 AMD 2015 RIP .....

They always have new stuff. the problem is only the pace of 20nm/FF transition, esp for the later which can close the gap with Intel.

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-6 11:55

http://hothardware.com/News/AMD-A10-Kaveri-APU-Details-Leaked/
Kaveri Spec Leaked

FM2+ (All Quad Core)

A10-7850K w/AMD Radeon R7(tm) Graphic
Base Clock = 3.7GHz , Max Boost = 4GHz
L2 = 4MB
GPU Core = 8 (512sp)
GPU Clock = 720MHz
Support HSA = Yes
TrueAudio Tech = Yes

A10-7700K
Max Boost = 3.8GHz
GCN GPU Cores = 6 (384sp)
GPU Clock = 720MHz
HSA = Yes
TrueAudio = Yes

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作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-6 12:23

from the article , Kaveri can offer "Up to Shanghai/Deneb Level of single thread performance"

...................takes 3 years to catch up 5 years ago performance

Bye Kaveri
I am going for Haswell Refresh

作者: ccw 時間: 2013-12-6 12:27

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-12-6 00:23 發表
from the article , Kaveri can offer "Up to Shanghai/Deneb Level of single thread performance"

...................takes 3 years to catch up 5 years ago performance

Bye Kaveri
I am going for Haswell ...

Who bet J this time?

作者: cheungmanhoi 時間: 2013-12-6 13:00

dom姐

不過
Shanghai/Deneb Level of single thread performance

deneb 有 3.8ghz咁高咩?
我就接受到

可惜呢排興執相好食cpu

stack 相又要用pixelinsight 都好食cpu
如果唔係都會用佢

睇下明年番中大果陣佢出左未

[ 本帖最後由 cheungmanhoi 於 2013-12-6 13:02 編輯 ]

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-12-6 15:37

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-12-6 12:23 發表
from the article , Kaveri can offer "Up to Shanghai/Deneb Level of single thread performance"

...................takes 3 years to catch up 5 years ago performance

Bye Kaveri
I am going for Haswell ...

Go ahead. Enjoy.

[ 本帖最後由 Puff 於 2013-12-6 15:52 編輯 ]

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-6 16:21

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原帖由 ccw 於 2013/12/6 12:27 發表

Who bet J this time?

I don't bet , FX-8300 is just extend the stay with AMD platform longer
Est. end of 2014 will switch to Intel based platform if NOTHING "on-par" with Ivy Bridge class CPU performance and 6Thread (3Module) with FM2+ platform

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-6 16:22

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原帖由 cheungmanhoi 於 2013/12/6 13:00 發表
dom姐

不過
Shanghai/Deneb Level of single thread performance

deneb 有 3.8ghz咁高咩?
我就接受到

可惜呢排興執相好食cpu
stack 相又要用pixelinsight 都好食cpu
如果唔係 ...

你部 Intel 機買粒 i5 已經KO AMD 全線
玩我咩

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-12-6 16:33

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-12-6 16:21 發表

I don't bet , FX-8300 is just extend the stay with AMD platform longer
Est. end of 2014 will switch to Intel based platform if NOTHING "on-par" with Ivy Bridge class CPU performance and 6Thread (3M ...

無架啦，轉吧啦。就算要出，我估都唔會出 6C 架啦。
前景不明朗呀。買定 16 年花生期貨。

[ 本帖最後由 Puff 於 2013-12-6 16:46 編輯 ]

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-6 16:48

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013/12/6 15:37 發表

Go ahead. Enjoy.

What do you expect?
4 yrs ago I got 955BE , top of the Phenom II X4 quad core performance (when it launch)
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=1201850
17-4-2009

3 yrs ago I got 1090T , at least it give me 2 more core!
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=1439044
15-4-2010

http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=1692844
6-10-2011
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=1776547
3-4-2012
2 yrs ago , EPIC FAIL Faildozer is out ( FX-8150) , which is piece of

even worse than my old 1090T and
they want to charge for $2K.

http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=1875656
23-10-2012
1yrs ago AMD finally pick up their sorry a$$ and fix some of their

Faildozer and make Faildozer 1.5 ( Piledriver )
it is getting closer to "Phenon II" (Star) class single thread performance , but not there yet

http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=1905639
I did switch to FX-6300

引用:

忽然很久沒出現的美幸提示突然出現　
美幸 " 今次你唔會失望架......連你都放棄 AMD 就真係 AMD RIP 架啦 , 乖啦 "

When Intel side , they catch up with APU iGPU performance in less than 4 yrs time period
Do AMD Still have a chance? Maybe

But OEM and ODM already give up

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-6 16:49

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013/12/6 16:33 發表

無架啦，轉吧啦。就算要出，我估都唔會出 6C 架啦。
前景不明朗呀。買定 16 年花生期貨。

HSA WILL NOT WORK and FAIL just like Faildozer

- AMD isn't good at Linux platform ( neither do Intel nor nVIDIA , lol )
- Mantle is just another BS thing like they use "FX" with Faildozer

Too much FUD from AMD , they haven't change much from Faildozer mess.
RR (CEO) is trying hard to steer the sinking ship (AMD) but looks like it won't make it 2016 from current event
Desktop PC market fall faster than I expect , and MicroSUCK Windows 8 hurts even more (Both to OEM and x86)

That's why Intel is pushing hard with new "Atom" and trying to get to Android (Google) pool
pushing Iris pro to keep Apple happy

[ 本帖最後由 dom 於 2013-12-6 16:53 編輯 ]

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-12-6 19:12

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-12-6 16:49 發表

HSA WILL NOT WORK and FAIL just like Faildozer

- AMD isn't good at Linux platform ( neither do Intel nor nVIDIA , lol )
- Mantle is just another BS thing like they use "FX" with Faildozer

They are working extremely hard on Linux drivers in terms of both HSA and graphics (not kidding, not speculation, this is real), because their new growth products NEED good Linux support. Mantle will not fail either, but eventually it will become a cross-vendor standard or die as a bridging solution (due to another emerging cross-vendor standard). Nonetheless, it is a catalyst to the PC gaming market. For HSA, I can't comment on it further. From a toolchain standpoint, it sounds not bad at all (far better situation than the OCL/CUDA ages), but it still depends on how HSA Foundation and its members will push it further.

[ 本帖最後由 Puff 於 2013-12-6 19:13 編輯 ]

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-12-6 19:14

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-12-6 16:48 發表 What do you expect?

If they are quitting, you shouldn't have seen the release of FS1B and FM2+.

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-12-6 21:10

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-12-6 16:48 發表
When Intel side , they catch up with APU iGPU performance in less than 4 yrs time period

It is pretty expected. Green Arrow is still struggling on 32/28nm while Intel has moved to 22nm since the second year. Now they even leverage their ability to implement leading-edge tech ahead of all competitors.

[ 本帖最後由 Puff 於 2013-12-6 21:24 編輯 ]

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-7 00:20

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013/12/6 19:14 發表

If they are quitting, you shouldn't have seen the release of FS1B and FM2+.

I didn't say AMD is quitting
the market is quitting on them

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2013-12-7 07:39

Cinebench R11.5 Single-Thread
AMD FX-8350: 1.10
AMD FX-6300: 1.07
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T BE: 1.11

WinRAR 3.8 compression (dual-thread)
AMD FX-8350: 74.9s
AMD FX-6300: 78.3s
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T BE: 89s

World of Warcraft FRAPS (dual-thread)
AMD FX-8350: 91.5
AMD FX-6300: 79.4
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T BE: 77.8

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1yrs ago AMD finally pick up their sorry a$$ and fix some of their Faildozer and make Faildozer 1.5 ( Piledriver )
it is getting closer to "Phenon II" (Star) class single thread performance , but not there yet

This is certainly not true

你唔好同我講同頻呀, 你講既係single-thread performance而唔係IPC呀

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-12-7 15:58

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-12-7 00:20 發表

I didn't say AMD is quitting
the market is quitting on them

講緊 OEM/MB

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-7 16:14

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原帖由 qcmadness 於 2013/12/7 07:39 發表
Cinebench R11.5 Single-Thread
AMD FX-8350: 1.10
AMD FX-6300: 1.07
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T BE: 1.11

WinRAR 3.8 compression (dual-thread)
AMD FX-8350: 74.9s
AMD FX-6300: 78.3s
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T BE: ...

Pls show Sandy Bridge to Haswell result

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2013-12-7 19:47

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-12-7 16:14 發表

Pls show Sandy Bridge to Haswell result

Cinebench 11.5 - Single Thread

i7 2600K: 1.52
i7 3770K: 1.66
i7 4770K: 1.78

WinRAR 3.8 compression (dual-thread)
i7 4770K: 53s
i7 3770K: 57.7s
i7 2600K: 59.6s

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-7 22:11

see how epic fail faildozer is

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2013-12-8 13:16

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-12-7 22:11 發表
see how epic fail faildozer is

But more core wor

AMD prioritize more core over higher single-thread performance.

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-9 12:11

Seriously , still can't even reach Sandy Bridge level .....
good luck AMD

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-12-9 21:38

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-12-9 12:11 發表
Seriously , still can't even reach Sandy Bridge level .....
good luck AMD

never la. bulldozer sucks. for instance, once upon a time AMD was the king of number crunching with K10 until SNB arrived. Now after SNB, bulldozer just f**ked everything up and drive amd's HP server dept to be a sinking ship. so unless bulldozer dies completely or someone f**k bulldozer inside out, good night AMD. crystal ball masters place bet on Jim Keller to get xv done right, but I would say he is too late for xv. you may sincerely hope amd once planned a huge rocket science update on xv in their epic failed bulldozer roadmap.

[ 本帖最後由 Puff 於 2013-12-9 21:43 編輯 ]

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-13 12:25

http://hothardware.com/News/AMD- ... -Core-i5-In-Gaming/
係咪呀
A10 送 BF4 咁重手?

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-13 12:26

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013/12/9 21:38 發表

never la. bulldozer sucks. for instance, once upon a time AMD was the king of number crunching with K10 until SNB arrived. Now after SNB, bulldozer just f**ked everything up and drive amd's HP server ...

XV ?
What I see is AMD RIP in Server market

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-12-13 21:33

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-12-13 12:26 發表

XV ?
What I see is AMD RIP in Server market

eXcaVator.

When BD releases: PD will fix everything
When PD releases: SR will fix everything
When SR releases: XV will fix everything

[ 本帖最後由 Puff 於 2013-12-13 21:35 編輯 ]

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-13 22:06

The loop is , they can't fix the Epic Fail arch.

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-30 16:55

AMD Screw up again
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=2040108
Look at the Cinebench R15 score , it perform even WORSE than Richland / Trinity !!!

[ 本帖最後由 dom 於 2013-12-30 17:23 編輯 ]

作者: cheungmanhoi 時間: 2013-12-30 17:02

引用:

原帖由 dom 於 2013-12-30 16:55 發表
AMD Screw up again
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewt ... ;extra=#pid31159370
Look at the Cinebench R15 score , it perform even WORSE than Richland / Trinity !!!

GG....

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-30 17:23

AMD just sign its Dead Warrant

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-30 17:27

http://www.techpowerup.com/19625 ... undles-planned.html
GG AMD

作者: Puff 時間: 2013-12-30 18:11

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原帖由 dom 於 2013-12-30 16:55 發表
AMD Screw up again
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=2040108
Look at the Cinebench R15 score , it perform even WORSE than Richland / Trinity !!!

really? http://bbs.hk-spot.com/viewthrea ... p;page=2#pid1406935
bulldozer is hopeless as always.

[ 本帖最後由 Puff 於 2013-12-30 18:14 編輯 ]

作者: dom 時間: 2013-12-30 18:38

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原帖由 Puff 於 2013/12/30 18:11 發表

really? http://bbs.hk-spot.com/viewthread.php?tid=81604&page=2#pid1406935
bulldozer is hopeless as always.

I dunno why many ppl think SR will catch up and beat i5
Mission Impossible for AMD, FFS they can barely match with i3

作者: bebird 時間: 2013-12-30 18:43

Still far behind for cpu performance than intel

作者: dom 時間: 2014-1-1 01:07

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原帖由 bebird 於 2013/12/30 18:43 發表
Still far behind for cpu performance than intel

Many ppl @ No.1 complain they don't NEED CPU Performance
It's "too much" and APU is excel in other "things"

But I don't know how " excel" for a "APU" that still takes up 100W TDP (95W for Kaveri)

作者: Aware 時間: 2014-1-1 14:25

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原帖由 dom 於 2014-1-1 01:07 發表

Many ppl @ No.1 complain they don't NEED CPU Performance
It's "too much" and APU is excel in other "things"

But I don't know how " excel" for a "APU" that still takes up 100W TDP (95W for Kaveri) ...

Because of Bulldozer, I only use it to build value system for friends.
All performance systems are switched to Intel.

作者: dom 時間: 2014-1-1 15:25

$1500 買粒 i3 級數 APU
AMD 真係傻左
i5 我都買到囉

作者: bebird 時間: 2014-1-1 15:53

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原帖由 dom 於 1/1/2014 15:25 發表
$1500 買粒 i3 級數 APU
AMD 真係傻左
i5 我都買到囉

Should sell in i3 price

作者: Aware 時間: 2014-1-1 17:38

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原帖由 dom 於 2014-1-1 15:25 發表
$1500 買粒 i3 級數 APU
AMD 真係傻左
i5 我都買到囉

really that bad at CPU part?

作者: Aware 時間: 2014-1-1 17:39

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原帖由 bebird 於 2014-1-1 15:53 發表

Should sell in i3 price

GF should be blowed up

作者: Puff 時間: 2014-1-1 18:17

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原帖由 dom 於 2014-1-1 15:25 發表
$1500 買粒 i3 級數 APU
AMD 真係傻左
i5 我都買到囉

但係 graphics 唔掂當。不過要 graphics 嘅除左「主流」嘅 MMO/light gamer 又唔會只要 APU 級數。
一張 R7 250 叫價 $700... 無嘅，擺到明就係 target 以前果 D GT 430/620 類市場囉。

[ 本帖最後由 Puff 於 2014-1-1 18:20 編輯 ]

作者: dom 時間: 2014-1-1 23:55

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原帖由 Puff 於 2014/1/1 18:17 發表

但係 graphics 唔掂當。不過要 graphics 嘅除左「主流」嘅 MMO/light gamer 又唔會只要 APU 級數。
一張 R7 250 叫價 $700... 無嘅，擺到明就係 target 以前果 D GT 430/620 類市場囉。

...

買得起 i5 價落粒U 既都買得起獨顯啦

作者: qcmadness 時間: 2014-1-2 02:06

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原帖由 dom 於 2014-1-1 23:55 發表

買得起 i5 價落粒U 既都買得起獨顯啦

獨顯一樣要錢

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